The number of times people have suggested using 315s or 313s or whatever in this thread is now bordering on the ridiculous.
What C2C 377s?And the Barking - Gospel Oak rail user group are hoping today to convince TFL to lease C2C 377s at weekends ...
Please keep reposting this at least once every page to help refocus people's minds!Hey, I was just wondering, what about the large number of available AC EMUs around the UK? Surely can't be any more difficult than plonking my favourite one on the tracks and running it... It's like the railways aren't even run for us enthusiasts anymore!
The new standard (RDG/ROSCOs) is onboard camera and cab monitors but there is large legacy fleet that isn't. Platform monitors /mirrors haven't been installed for a very long time and will be disappearing as new stock replaces old e.g. LO West Anglia and Anglia, SWR metro services, SE when the networkers are replaced, Southern when 455s and 313s are replaced in the next franchise.It is ridiculous in this country that we don't have a standardised form of train dispatch - and certainly that the rolling stock should be suitable for the driver to be able to view platform monitors where they are available or alternatively use the train onboard cameras where platform monitors are not available.
They're not heavily used at all, or at least they weren't, but I was under the impression the terms of the lease were that they had a very restricted mileage they could cover and they had to be returned in a pretty much as-new condition.What C2C 377s?
The C2C 387s are heavily used during the week and only get significant maintenance at the weekends. But why let practicalities get in the way of cunning plans?
heres a crazy idea that i know EVERY DRIVER AND ASLEF WOULD NEVER LET HAPPEN..
IF a small squadron of 313-315s could be utiilsed - they are short enough, not power hungry, could handle the passenger loads with ease..
Now ...at each station stop , the driver places his unit in to NEUTRAL. STEP 3 THE BRAKE, OPEN HIS DOOR,(unit cannot move anyway as brake interlock is failed safe by doors and unit in neutal) LOOKS AT THE DOORS OF HIS TRAIN..IN THE SAME WAY A GUARD WOULD DO, makes sure it safe.....then closes the doors...he ir SHE can then get back in the seat,open window, look behind him.. engage forwards, release the brake and move off. if the signal has been pulled off.....of course this means the driver getting off backside and leaving cab..its a common sense .not dangerous...this is why it will never ever be permitted by ASLEF, RMT, NETWORK RAIL OR the TOCS......i can hear you all screaming at me....
Can't tell if you're taking the piss...
but the reason you have monitors / On-board screens it to perform a final safety check before taking power. Something you can't do without the equipment. Yes there is "Look-Back" but that all depends if the platform is curved. Also, I don't believe it's a method of dispatch that is allowed to be re-introduced(?) ..
We use this kind of method in degraded dispatch on SN. But key word there is degraded.
But why let that get in the way of having a kick at drivers and a bash at the unions.
The 387s would hardly be taxed on the goblin doing at most 10 return trips per day which is around 240 miles.They're not heavily used at all, or at least they weren't, but I was under the impression the terms of the lease were that they had a very restricted mileage they could cover and they had to be returned in a pretty much as-new condition.
Hey, I was just wondering, what about the large number of available AC EMUs around the UK? Surely can't be any more difficult than plonking my favourite one on the tracks and running it... It's like the railways aren't even run for us enthusiasts anymore!
They’re clutching at straws. It’s not the first time they’ve suggested this, and the reasons why it won’t happen haven’t changed at all.
heres a crazy idea that i know EVERY DRIVER AND ASLEF WOULD NEVER LET HAPPEN..
IF a small squadron of 313-315s could be utiilsed - they are short enough, not power hungry, could handle the passenger loads with ease..
Now ...at each station stop , the driver places his unit in to NEUTRAL. STEP 3 THE BRAKE, OPEN HIS DOOR,(unit cannot move anyway as brake interlock is failed safe by doors and unit in neutal) LOOKS AT THE DOORS OF HIS TRAIN..IN THE SAME WAY A GUARD WOULD DO, makes sure it safe.....then closes the doors...he ir SHE can then get back in the seat,open window, look behind him.. engage forwards, release the brake and move off. if the signal has been pulled off.....of course this means the driver getting off backside and leaving cab..its a common sense .not dangerous...this is why it will never ever be permitted by ASLEF, RMT, NETWORK RAIL OR the TOCS......i can hear you all screaming at me....
Still more than the 100 or so they do today, only 5 days a week, and for only 4 hours a day in service. In any case, far from the only issue as others have explained.The 387s would hardly be taxed on the goblin doing at most 10 return trips per day which is around 240 miles.
I don't think 315s have any guard's panels fitted do they?Could they run 315 s with a guard either a trained driver or other staff, maybe a bit of overtime needed
G A trained guards from management at short notice to cover strikes
It would be a shame to drop back the service after doing so much. I remember the last days of steam you had a compartment to yourself on most trains
Not unless you manage to fit DOO cameras to the units you're thinking of, or retrofitting all stations along the Goblin with the necessary platform equipment for DOO dispatch, or manage to recruit and train a bunch of guards. All of these options will take months to realise and will cost a lot of money.
It's depressing that people don't even attempt to read even the recent pages in the thread, and wade in with this 'great idea' that clearly no one else has thought of yet
I don't think 315s have any guard's panels fitted do they?
Guard has a green and red flag, looks out of back cab, green flag in emergency ie someone in door he/she hits the red button
needs a bit of cooperation from all parties ,, second thought would the interlocking allow the guard to operate the doors from the back cab
You can’t seriously expect everyone to sit here reading over 1000 prior posts before posting lol. Now having to do that would be depressing.It's depressing that people don't even attempt to read even the recent pages in the thread, and wade in with this 'great idea' that clearly no one else has thought of yet
You can’t seriously expect everyone to sit here reading over 1000 prior posts before posting lol. Now having to do that would be depressing.
Reduced services on the GOBLIN this weekend. Looks like they're managing 2-3tph. Presumably a couple of the diesels are out for maintenance.
There’s a reduced service every weekend, and has been since before Christmas.