greatkingrat
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Also you would need at least two staff at each station - one for each platform, plus others to cover for meal breaks etc.
Where was it looking very likely? User group imagination doesn’t count.But it's okay to shut the line (as was looking very likely a few months ago) and replace the service with buses! What a crazy world we live in.
Also you would need at least two staff at each station - one for each platform, plus others to cover for meal breaks etc.
Where was it looking very likely? User group imagination doesn’t count.
The evidence suggests otherwise as it’s now 378 operated - The engineering change, approvals, PTI, crew familiarisation etc weren’t done on a whim overnight?I think LO was guilty of an extreme form of optimism bias. They really, really didn't want to get into the nasty complexities of procuring alternative stock so they convinced themselves that it wouldn't be needed until it was too late.
Nevertheless there are also supplementary buses. Correct me if I'm wrong but there are only three 378s for the line so they need 100% availability all day seven days a week. Any problem or unplanned maintenance and there will be 60 minute gaps in the service.The evidence suggests otherwise as it’s now 378 operated - The engineering change, approvals, PTI, crew familiarisation etc weren’t done on a whim overnight?
Nevertheless there are also supplementary buses. Correct me if I'm wrong but there are only three 378s for the line so they need 100% availability all day seven days a week. Any problem or unplanned maintenance and there will be 60 minute gaps in the service.
Same answer as earlier in the thread: far cheaper to go for 8 car with longitudinal seating to increase capsacityWhy haven't the LO 710s been made 10 car on the West Anglia Suburban route?
Same answer as earlier in the thread: far cheaper to go for 8 car with longitudinal seating to increase capsacity
Agreed but it pushes that issue further into the future though. TfL have no moneyYes, but the same situ will arise as per 378s going 4 car 5 car
Same answer as earlier in the thread: far cheaper to go for 8 car with longitudinal seating to increase capsacity
And paying for platform extension work now too...Kicking the can down the road isn't helpful at all. It will be cheaper to buy new carriages now than in ten years.
And paying for platform extension work now too...
8car is the max for Chingford without major work including stabling
Drop off?That might be the case, but when you have no money and are having to cancel and defer projects left right and centre then making provision for future growth is going to be very low on the list of priorities. Besides, given the drop off in commuter traffic, who's to say that they will be needed in the foreseeable future.
It has in various places round London for a while especially Fridays. Now tending to pick up again.Drop off?
I don't have the measurements to hand but IIRC those were shorter cars.I thought apart from Stoke Newington, all platforms on the route are 9-car usage, as they all used to serve 9-car trains? I assume Enfield Town/Cheshunt/Chingford need major work done at the London ends.
Not sure, as didn't CP4/CP5 suggest using 313s on the route in 3x3x3 style? I may be losing the plot mind!I don't have the measurements to hand but IIRC those were shorter cars.
Thanks, an interesting insight into the reality of the situation. I wouldn't be susprised if the rest of the network is suffering too because the five car fleet has three fewer spares than before.Correct. And for a variety of reasons we have lost service entirely or partially on the line over three separate days in the last week or so. Two were rolling stock related - a problem at Barking requiring a 378 to be rescued and repaired, another day when a 378 failed meaning no service east of S Tottenham and then a lineside fire caused a partial suspension for most of the day (12 hours) last Sunday. If a train fails then TfL simply suspend the service east of South Tottenham. If two trains are out then no service at all. Yes supplementary buses do operate but no one bothers to tell anybody when they get extended to Barking (from Leytonstone) when there are more serious problems. No tweets from TfL about that. I only know it happened because a bus company employee told me after the event.
I suspect TfL would prioritise 4tph on each branch over longer trains. I believe I read an FOI saying that even that was now likely pushed back indefinitely.
Thanks, an interesting insight into the reality of the situation. I wouldn't be susprised if the rest of the network is suffering too because the five car fleet has three fewer spares than before.
In my humble opinion it was avoidable. I think I posted a potential solution on this forum several months ago, namely using 379s. They are very similar to 378s so I think a conversion for LO drivers would be straightforward. Transfer 317887-892 off the Chingford/Enfield/Cheshunt locals to AGA and replace six 379 diagrams on the Stansted route. The short fall on the Chingford line could have been covered by surplus 315s off the Shenfield line. All fleets are maintained at Ilford so for AGA and Chingford it would make little difference. 315s are far more suited to stopping trains than 317s so it would be a win for those routes.
The hard part would be maintaining the 379s for the Barking route. Off the top of my head I don't think it's possible to access Willesden depot with AC units so they would have to go to Ilford. It might be possible to stable a unit at Gospel Oak and another at Barking to reduce the empty moves.
I'm actually surprised that the DFT hasn't stepped in like they did when TPE lost the 170s. They were happy to pay for the 37s on the Cumbrian coast for years to release some 156s to TPE. I bet that cost way more than my proposal here.
It was never an option. Liverpool Street West side is at capacity, and has been or a long time.
I thought the long term goal was to extend the Stratford to Stortfords to Stansted, cut down the trains per hour from LST to 2tph, and increase the enfield/cheshunt services to 4tph, as the hertford peak fasts will not stop at edmonton anymore? Then there were 2 additional tph to Barking from Enfield rumoured for the mid 2020s? The Seven Sisters terminators were one of the CPs (CP4?) I believe, but nothing on that mentioned since.I read an FOI, which I will try and find, that they planned to terminate the extra services at Seven Sisters using the crossover there and the Seven Sisters chord. I'll see if I can dredge it up.