The revised LO timetable with two extra trains in the peaks each way between Stratford and Willesden Jcn on the NLL began this morning, hitch-free so far.
Is that using stock freed-up from the Watford DC?
The revised LO timetable with two extra trains in the peaks each way between Stratford and Willesden Jcn on the NLL began this morning, hitch-free so far.
Is that using stock freed-up from the Watford DC?
So after a few 710/1's have entered traffic there seems to be a hiatus in getting anymore into use on the Watfords let alone WA
710108 and 119 were used as an 8 car PTI test train last week on the Enfield/Cheshunt line (I was on it). This was the first use of them as an 8 car on the network, which is the main outstanding issue to getting them in service on the WA. Progress is being made and there are a few more tweaks to be made on the software to enable 8 car passenger operation.
The next PTI test train is booked in early January to test the remaining platforms and WA driver training should start in the new year.
How far would you say it is to go between the test train and 8 car passenger service running starting up?
The first passenger services are still on course for beginning of the year, subject to the PTI mentioned above being ok. But as it stands the trains are fine to run as either 8 or 4, The issues remain around the coupling and uncoupling procedure itself.
Regardless of the software updates, if all is ok from the PTI there will be a 710 on WA within 1-2 months. If its an 8 it just won’t split.
The first passenger services are still on course for beginning of the year, subject to the PTI mentioned above being ok. But as it stands the trains are fine to run as either 8 or 4, The issues remain around the coupling and uncoupling procedure itself.
Regardless of the software updates, if all is ok from the PTI there will be a 710 on WA within 1-2 months. If its an 8 it just won’t split.
West Anglia passengers wont know what hit them
Is that good or bad?!
I can't wait it will just be complaints galore.
Too cold.
Hard seats.
Longitudinal.
Door alarms too loud.
Not enough Seats.
I know they're old but don't the 317's have ex first class with tables? They're in for a shock with the bare bones overground interior of the 710'a
Dont worry I know
Feb is spot on. There will be both 8 and 4 cars in the training. So it looks like this might actually be happening. West Anglia passengers wont know what hit them
There are a few bays of 2+2 seating on the 345's - much nicer to sit on the longitudinal seating. And a full window pane too to accompany them.Interesting how great Northern, Overground and GA all through that area had 3+2.
Greater Anglia will continue to have relativley disliked, cramped 3+2 with no standing room on their 720s, Overground has gone to longitudinal. Suddenly the compromise of 2+2 on great northerns 717s with ironing boards may appeal to many more than people thought. All lea valley line routes are absolutely short enough for Longitudinal seating, especially the line to Chingford with it being the equivalent of travelling to Buckhurst Hill on the neighbouring Central line.
I will however empathise after realising there's nowhere to hide from the cold that pours in every time the doors open on both 710s and 345s. When the 345s were first introduced the doors closed after seemingly no more than 3 seconds of inactivity but this seems to have been extended to much longer since alongside the 710s. Nevertheless they're still a definite upgrade for a metro route, the people of Bruce Grove and Clapton will certainly love them.
Indeed, I make a beeline for them, but with only 64 such seats on a 7-car unit, they aren't easy to come by!There are a few bays of 2+2 seating on the 345's - much nicer to sit on the longitudinal seating. And a full window pane too to accompany them.
Although, I believe that increases to 96 seats on the 9-car units. (96 out of 454 seats, so a bit more than a fifth of all seats.)Indeed, I make a beeline for them, but with only 64 such seats on a 7-car unit, they aren't easy to come by!
Yes it does, which will certainly improve matters!Although, I believe that increases to 96 seats on the 9-car units. (96 out of 454 seats, so a bit more than a fifth of all seats.)
454 seats in 9 cars is going to be a shock compared to 636 in 8 with 315s.Although, I believe that increases to 96 seats on the 9-car units. (96 out of 454 seats, so a bit more than a fifth of all seats.)
These comments clearly come from people who don’t travel on these lines. Morning / evening peak services are crush loaded in and out of Liverpool St.454 seats in 9 cars is going to be a shock compared to 636 in 8 with 315s.
This. In any of the zone 3 stations, when a 345 turns up, you can board the train. When it's a pair of 315s, you often can't. That's the difference extra capacity makes. Yes it sucks for people who are on the border of seating capacity where they may have got a seat before, but not now, but on the whole, extra standing capacity is clearly what's needed over this side. GWML-side, however, may be a different story.These comments clearly come from people who don’t travel on these lines. Morning / evening peak services are crush loaded in and out of Liverpool St.
I’m sure the reaction will be mixed. But it won’t be the universal rejection that you predict.
My take is the middle seats of the 3 seat is never fully occupied on a 315 or any other 3+2 train ive commuted on over the last 40 years until the train is crush loaded. Even on the 700's the lack of an armrest is a deterrent to use both seats if an oversize person is already in occupation but at least standing is generally reasonable.This. In any of the zone 3 stations, when a 345 turns up, you can board the train. When it's a pair of 315s, you often can't. That's the difference extra capacity makes. Yes it sucks for people who are on the border of seating capacity where they may have got a seat before, but not now, but on the whole, extra standing capacity is clearly what's needed over this side. GWML-side, however, may be a different story.
My take is the middle seats of the 3 seat is never fully occupied on a 315 or any other 3+2 train ive commuted on over the last 40 years until the train is crush loaded. Even on the 700's the lack of an armrest is a deterrent to use both seats if an oversize person is already in occupation but at least standing is generally reasonable.
A 2nd 710 Should be delivered to Chingford next week, with Driver training soon after. The ball is rolling it seems.
The 345s are a good replacement for the 315s. But i do like the fact 345s have some bays with face-to-face seating. So it is a shame the 710s are solely longtitudinal seating!Interesting how great Northern, Overground and GA all through that area had 3+2.
Greater Anglia will continue to have relativley disliked, cramped 3+2 with no standing room on their 720s, Overground has gone to longitudinal. Suddenly the compromise of 2+2 on great northerns 717s with ironing boards may appeal to many more than people thought. All lea valley line routes are absolutely short enough for Longitudinal seating, especially the line to Chingford with it being the equivalent of travelling to Buckhurst Hill on the neighbouring Central line.
I will however empathise after realising there's nowhere to hide from the cold that pours in every time the doors open on both 710s and 345s. When the 345s were first introduced the doors closed after seemingly no more than 3 seconds of inactivity but this seems to have been extended to much longer since alongside the 710s. Nevertheless they're still a definite upgrade for a metro route, the people of Bruce Grove and Clapton will certainly love them.
Incorrect - they were originally specified to have this, but that was changed before production to be a common fleet of all-longitudinal.710/1s for the Lee valley lines have forward and back facing seating similar to the 345s I believe
Oh, thanks for the info. Any idea why? Journey times not long enough (even though some would be comparable to 345s)?Incorrect - they were originally specified to have this, but that was changed before production to be a common fleet of all-longitudinal.
I believe perceived capacity issues - the fleet size is not expanding (31 trains being replaced with 31) so the only additional capacity the line will get is by increasing the capacity of the units themselves - all-longitudinal allows a higher total passenger capacity, even if that means most are standing.Oh, thanks for the info. Any idea why? Journey times not long enough (even though some would be comparable to 345s)?