Construction progress: TPE 350/4

[hairyhandedfool]

I'm looking at travelling on a Tuesday in June between Manchester Piccadilly and Lancaster so guess it's likely to be a Class 350/4

There's a good chance, but don't forget that 185s run to Barrow and Windermere.

 

[WatcherZero]

It's expected that all services will be electric however on the busier Friday - Monday period there will be a 185 timed diagram which will allow a 350/4 to form an 8 car working. I think it's something like 9 diagrams for 10 units with 8 electric diagrams on the busy period I mentioned.

Either way from what I've read on here it's looking like 9 out with 1 spare. I'm not entirely sure how many electric diagrams there are but I think it's something like 8/9.

Yeah I was told something similar 8/9 wit one diesel diagram that would remain, principally its for capacity but a secondary advantage is retaining diesel knowledge on the route.

 

[Manchester77]

Yeah I was told something similar 8/9 wit one diesel diagram that would remain, principally its for capacity but a secondary advantage is retaining diesel knowledge on the route.

Does that mean all 350/4 drivers will also be trained on 185s or will only be a few?
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I'm looking at travelling on a Tuesday in June between Manchester Piccadilly and Lancaster so guess it's likely to be a Class 350/4

In that case make sure the final destination of your train is either Glasgow or Edinburgh because that'll mean your train will probably be electric

 

[Class 170101]

Don't all 350/4 drivers already know the 185s given thatthese were the previous (or current if you prefer) traction on the route?

 

[Des Iroman]

They do indeed.

 

[317 forever]

It's expected that all services will be electric however on the busier Friday - Monday period there will be a 185 timed diagram which will allow a 350/4 to form an 8 car working. I think it's something like 9 diagrams for 10 units with 8 electric diagrams on the busy period I mentioned.

Either way from what I've read on here it's looking like 9 out with 1 spare. I'm not entirely sure how many electric diagrams there are but I think it's something like 8/9.

As I am due to travel from Manchester to Edinburgh on a Wednesday in July, I have a good feeling about it being class 350 by then. As I am returning on a Friday I may well use a different route such as East Coast via York or a coach.

 

[Manchester77]

Your chances of getting a 350 on both your journeys are very high to be honest so if you wanted you could go all electric both ways!

 

[philjo]

I was at oxenholme yesterday and saw an 8-car 350 forming the service to Manchester airport (which was very busy in both units). One unit was in the base grey and the other in the new TPE striped livery
I then travelled to Edinburgh (on a VT pendo). I saw a 4 car 350 there later, in the new TPE livery.

 

[Class 170101]

I get the feeling people will be disappointed in May when the 350s run around on their own (in the main) as they will need to provide all Manchester to Scotland services unlike today so that the 185s can operate the new Liverpool to Newcastle service.

 

[Class83]

I get the feeling people will be disappointed in May when the 350s run around on their own (in the main) as they will need to provide all Manchester to Scotland services unlike today so that the 185s can operate the new Liverpool to Newcastle service.

Someone tell Siemens to roll another 8 off the line while it's still open, doubles all round...

 

[harz99]

Units 401 & 405 formed yesterdays 0558 MIA to EDB; 401 had problems (doors?) causing a 40' late departure from MIA, after various attempts en route to sort the problem it was finally detached at CAR. I travelled on the return working from EDB as far as Lockerbie which was around 45' late when I left. 350405 performed well on that journey.

 

[Leylandlad]

Unidentified TPE liveried 350 was stabled north of Preston platforms this afternoon about 1520.

We were driving along Ringway..so couldn't see which one :roll:

 

[Bob Ames]

Unidentified TPE liveried 350 was stabled north of Preston platforms this afternoon about 1520.

It could have been 409 and 404 (both in new livery) - they were there yesterday as I passed through Preston.

 

[harz99]

Morning all.

Fingers crossed and hoping that all the unit teething problems have been sorted with the full service level required from today. I know yesterday there were a few delays, but whether or not they were down to 350 failures who knows?

I guess I'll find out when I travel later this morning!

 

[jonesy3001]

Any left in grey?

 

[Starmill]

And are they operating at 110 yet?

 

[Des Iroman]

Nope, all tested etc just waiting paperwork I believe. The new timetable is only timed for 100mph anyway.

 

[thealexweb]

Morning all.

Fingers crossed and hoping that all the unit teething problems have been sorted with the full service level required from today. I know yesterday there were a few delays, but whether or not they were down to 350 failures who knows?

I guess I'll find out when I travel later this morning!

I noted two Edinburgh services today that were short formed to four cars because of an earlier unit fault.

 

[harz99]

Morning all.

Fingers crossed and hoping that all the unit teething problems have been sorted with the full service level required from today. I know yesterday there were a few delays, but whether or not they were down to 350 failures who knows?

I guess I'll find out when I travel later this morning!

Hmph; unit 405 sat down at Lockerbie this morning when I boarded at 0911, problem with some "safety equipment". Some 15 minutes later, after dropping the Pan a couple of times, the driver managed to clear the fault and off we went.

Being Monday this working should have been 2 x 350 units; only one however due to the northbound service last night having one unit fail en route. Consequently 2 lots of seat reservations were spread around one unit which was full and standing by Lancaster.

Speaking of Lancaster, my train was crossed over to platform 3 to allow the following Virgin service to London to overtake after it's booked stop.

When I left at Preston, the TPE service was by then running approximately 30 minutes late.

 

[WatcherZero]

Nope, all tested etc just waiting paperwork I believe. The new timetable is only timed for 100mph anyway.

I think the plan always was to keep the extra speed for timetable recovery rather than them being timed for 110. All the diagrams are supposed to be timed for superior electric accelerations though apart from one diagram which will remain timed for 185's.

 

[Manchester77]

http://youtu.be/rF3_pCW0fwA
Video about the new livery

 

[Class 170101]

Will be interesting if they hire in the 350/3s from LM during the Commonwealth Games. Two liveries on the service potentially.

 

[harz99]

The 1200 off MIA only reached LAN today before being cancelled due to a train defect. As a result the 1612 off EDB to MIA is cancelled throughout.

All I can say is ouch! Some large gaps from CAR to/from LOC and HYM/EDB, with no evidence of any special stops or reinstatements.

Is TPE spreading its stock to thinly?

 

[windnoise69]

What services do they operate now the timetable has changed? Are they all in service now?

 

[driver9000]

The 1200 off MIA only reached LAN today before being cancelled due to a train defect. As a result the 1612 off EDB to MIA is cancelled throughout.

All I can say is ouch! Some large gaps from CAR to/from LOC and HYM/EDB, with no evidence of any special stops or reinstatements.

Is TPE spreading its stock to thinly?

The next Lockerbie train was an hour behind the failed TPE service and there was a VT service to Edinburgh before the next TPE service 2hrs later so passengers would have been put on those. Leaving Edinburgh there was a 16:52 London Euston service which although not calling at Lockerbie would have taken the passengers destined for Carlisle and further south. Not ideal if you're headed for Lockerbie from Edinburgh though.
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What services do they operate now the timetable has changed? Are they all in service now?

350s work virtually all Scottish TPE services with one remaining a 185. They differ slightly at weekends due to strengthening.

 

[snail]

Does anyone have details of the weekend 8-car sets? I'm only going Preston to Manchester on Saturday but would be nice to know which ones might have seats free!

 

[387star]

http://youtu.be/rF3_pCW0fwA
Video about the new livery

Something tells me first group aren't going to like neutral liveries

 

[northwichcat]

Something tells me first group aren't going to like neutral liveries

You mean like the Scotrail ones?
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Does anyone have details of the weekend 8-car sets? I'm only going Preston to Manchester on Saturday but would be nice to know which ones might have seats free!

Can't give you times for any 8 car 350s but can give you one that's a 6 car class 185 working between Preston and Manchester Airport:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G34287/2014/05/31/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/G34637/2014/05/31/advanced

 

[387star]

You mean like the Scotrail ones?

Neutral or fixed liveries beyond their control that don't push the brand

 

[Silverlinky]

Will be interesting if they hire in the 350/3s from LM during the Commonwealth Games. Two liveries on the service potentially.

Now heard thats a strong rumour......368/9/372 now all at Crewe.

Also heard that a 350/4 has been damaged in a collision at Ardwick, sideswiped by another unit apparently. Anyone heard anything about this?