Crash Survivors

[87electric]

I think the engine from crash victim 66521 went into 66504.

 

[adh144004]

It was 144017. A reverse shunt incident with 37681 back in January 1992.
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Given the level of damage to the underframe of the lead vehicle in this incident is it possible/likely it was replaced with the surviving good frame from 142059? Both BREL frames but would they have been suitable for such a swap? Does anyone know if this did indeed occur?

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Got to remember that the Class 210s were a more traditional DEMU with a power car containing an above floor engine and intermediate trailers and a driving trailer. The two power cars were scrapped after conversion for departmental use never happened. The trailers formed the Networker prototype - firstly as (45)7001 then 316999.

Sorry, I meant that as the 210s existed which used a diesel generator to supply electric power to what I assume were standard EE507(?) traction motors, it's a surprise that the 769 project seems to be hitting one stumbling block after another. I appreciate that the two versions wouldn't be identical. It does make me wonder if an above-the-solebar engine might've been a better idea... but again, I'm drifting off-topic. Apologies.

 

[Bikeman78]

The other GWR car is from 209 (57 Cars) and which are formed in the middle 150925 and 926 thus their becoming 150925 and 926. The plan is to remove them before 925 and 926 go to Northern, fit PRM toilet and other mods (no toilet in either at present) and form into a new 150/2 but presumably retaining their 2+3 seating unfortunately

57209 amd 57212 have moved to Northern and are running around as 150209. I had it on my way back from Glasgow on July 25th. 150207 has gone to GWR in exchnge.

 

[Western Sunset]

The cement mixer toppling onto a Cl.455 was at Oxshott.

There are two Class 455s with ex Class 210 vehicles:

5912 64000 is the TSO
5913 67301 is the MSO

 

[Parallel]

57209 amd 57212 have moved to Northern and are running around as 150209. I had it on my way back from Glasgow on July 25th. 150207 has gone to GWR in exchnge.

I guess it is running around toiletless! Hopefully it is kept off long distance routes...

 

[LOL The Irony]

I guess it is running around toiletless! Hopefully it is kept off long distance routes...

I think it has a special diagram and is coupled to another gangwayed Sprinter.

 

[43096]

The cement mixer toppling onto a Cl.455 was at Oxshott.

There are two Class 455s with ex Class 210 vehicles:

5912 64000 is the TSO
5913 67301 is the MSO

5912 has 67400 as the TS.

 

[Western Sunset]

Yes, sorry.
You're right 67400.

Typing was never my strong point....

 

[djpontrack]

I think it has a special diagram and is coupled to another gangwayed Sprinter.

It's been on Man Vic to Blackburn/Clitheroe services recently coupled to a 153

 

[satisnek]

Interesting thread. A while back I was waiting for a train to Worcester at Kidderminster and looking at the Chiltern Mark 3 set in the opposite platform, and noticed what I thought at first was accident damage at the end of a coach. The I realised that all the coaches had this - it was merely a rough weld where the original door had been replaced with the power-operated one. But it got me thinking... Had any of these vehicles been involved in an accident during their lives? Off the top of my head, the big Mark 3 smashes were Bushey (1980), Polmont (1984) and Colwich (1986). (It's a testament to the design of these vehicles that these accidents looked like little more than model train derailments and casualties were low.) The numbers of the vehicles involved can be obtained from the respective reports, but without the re-numbering info I can't tell if any survive today in the Chiltern fleet.

 

[Journeyman]

Interesting thread. A while back I was waiting for a train to Worcester at Kidderminster and looking at the Chiltern Mark 3 set in the opposite platform, and noticed what I thought at first was accident damage at the end of a coach. The I realised that all the coaches had this - it was merely a rough weld where the original door had been replaced with the power-operated one. But it got me thinking... Had any of these vehicles been involved in an accident during their lives? Off the top of my head, the big Mark 3 smashes were Bushey (1980), Polmont (1984) and Colwich (1986). (It's a testament to the design of these vehicles that these accidents looked like little more than model train derailments and casualties were low.) The numbers of the vehicles involved can be obtained from the respective reports, but without the re-numbering info I can't tell if any survive today in the Chiltern fleet.

I've just had a quick look, and it appears that the only Polmont survivors currently operating are 12013 and 12021, both carrying their original numbers and in service on Greater Anglia (and therefore with original doors).

 

[scotraildriver]

12004 involved at Polmont was converted to a 1st/buffet cross country HST coach I think now numbered 45002.

 

[Journeyman]

12004 involved at Polmont was converted to a 1st/buffet cross country HST coach I think now numbered 45002.

Just dug out the Platform 5 book - it's 45001. Well spotted! It will, in time, end up with power doors then.

 

[jonesy3001]

What was the 2 pacers that was involved in the winsford accident when the 86 or 87 went into the back of one after they went through a red light, didn't one get saved or was they both scrapped?

 

[Bikeman78]

What was the 2 pacers that was involved in the winsford accident when the 86 or 87 went into the back of one after they went through a red light, didn't one get saved or was they both scrapped?

142004 scrapped and 142008 still in service.

 

[43096]

142004 scrapped and 142008 still in service.

Nope. 142003 was leading and still in service, 142008 trailing and written off.

 

[43096]

Interesting thread. A while back I was waiting for a train to Worcester at Kidderminster and looking at the Chiltern Mark 3 set in the opposite platform, and noticed what I thought at first was accident damage at the end of a coach. The I realised that all the coaches had this - it was merely a rough weld where the original door had been replaced with the power-operated one. But it got me thinking... Had any of these vehicles been involved in an accident during their lives? Off the top of my head, the big Mark 3 smashes were Bushey (1980), Polmont (1984) and Colwich (1986). (It's a testament to the design of these vehicles that these accidents looked like little more than model train derailments and casualties were low.) The numbers of the vehicles involved can be obtained from the respective reports, but without the re-numbering info I can't tell if any survive today in the Chiltern fleet.

Mark 3s in those three accidents, and their current whereabouts, as follows:
Bushey
11042 - in service with Chiltern as 12613
12039 - written off in accident (first Mark 3 to be scrapped)
12162 - written off in accident (used by RTC for a period before scrapping)
12102 - in service with XC as 42377
12068 - in service with Anglia as 10404

Colwich
12074 - written off in accident
12042 - in service with Anglia
12032 - in service with Anglia
12040 - in service with Anglia
12041 - in service with Anglia
12110 - in service with Anglia
11026 - scrapped 2015
11044 - in service with ATW as 12184
11034 - in service with Anglia as 10413

11025 - written off in accident
11061 - written off in accident

Polmont
11004 - written off in accident
12006 - written off in accident
12004 - in service with XC as 45001
12021 - in service with Anglia
12013 - in service with Anglia

 

[satisnek]

Mark 3s in those three accidents, and their current whereabouts, as follows:
Bushey
11042 - in service with Chiltern as 12613
12039 - written off in accident (first Mark 3 to be scrapped)
12162 - written off in accident (used by RTC for a period before scrapping)
12102 - in service with XC as 42377
12068 - in service with Anglia as 10404

Colwich
12074 - written off in accident
12042 - in service with Anglia
12032 - in service with Anglia
12040 - in service with Anglia
12041 - in service with Anglia
12110 - in service with Anglia
11026 - scrapped 2015
11044 - in service with ATW as 12184
11034 - in service with Anglia as 10413

11025 - written off in accident
11061 - written off in accident

Polmont
11004 - written off in accident
12006 - written off in accident
12004 - in service with XC as 45001
12021 - in service with Anglia
12013 - in service with Anglia

Wow, thanks! So apart from the write-offs, all bar one are still in service today. I would never have thought that.

 

[Islineclear3_1]

Slightly OT but the Southern had a wonderful history of cut and shut and body repairs in its slam door heyday. One memorable example for me was a visit to Slade Green repair shop in the 1980s where a CIG DTC was having a donor Vep cab welded on following an accident at Copyhold Junction. The Vep cab was from 7724 and I think the Cig DTC was from 7383 (from memory).

Of course, there were many, many other examples....

 

[Helvellyn]

Mark 3s in those three accidents, and their current whereabouts, as follows:
Bushey
11042 - in service with Chiltern as 12613
12039 - written off in accident (first Mark 3 to be scrapped)
12162 - written off in accident (used by RTC for a period before scrapping)
12102 - in service with XC as 42377
12068 - in service with Anglia as 10404

Colwich
12074 - written off in accident
12042 - in service with Anglia
12032 - in service with Anglia
12040 - in service with Anglia
12041 - in service with Anglia
12110 - in service with Anglia
11026 - scrapped 2015
11044 - in service with ATW as 12184
11034 - in service with Anglia as 10413

11025 - written off in accident
11061 - written off in accident

Polmont
11004 - written off in accident
12006 - written off in accident
12004 - in service with XC as 45001
12021 - in service with Anglia
12013 - in service with Anglia

Excluding the three accidents on the Western Region with HSTs the other accident involving Mark 3 coaches, which often gets overlooked, was the Morpeth derailment of 24 June 1984.

http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/eventsummary.php?eventID=165
Of the seven Mark 3A Sleeping cars in the train six were written off - SLEPs 10505, 10524 and 10528 plus SLEs 10652, 10659 and 10733. I don't know what the seventh vehicle was and whether it is still in service. I also believe 10733, the last fully built SLE, had been in service only a matter of weeks (the vehicles intended to be 10734 and 10735 were converted to Royal Train vehicles before completion and never carried those numbers).

 

[edwin_m]

Excluding the three accidents on the Western Region with HSTs the other accident involving Mark 3 coaches, which often gets overlooked, was the Morpeth derailment of 24 June 1984.

http://www.railwaysarchive.co.uk/eventsummary.php?eventID=165
Of the seven Mark 3A Sleeping cars in the train six were written off - SLEPs 10505, 10524 and 10528 plus SLEs 10652, 10659 and 10733. I don't know what the seventh vehicle was and whether it is still in service. I also believe 10733, the last fully built SLE, had been in service only a matter of weeks (the vehicles intended to be 10734 and 10735 were converted to Royal Train vehicles before completion and never carried those numbers).

Probably it wasn't worth repairing even relatively minor damage to Mk3 sleepers, as practically from the date of completion there were more of them than were needed.

 

[Journeyman]

Probably it wasn't worth repairing even relatively minor damage to Mk3 sleepers, as practically from the date of completion there were more of them than were needed.

Yup - BR realised they'd ordered too many even while they were under construction, and cancelled around 30 SLEPs from the building programme. This is why there's a gap in the numbers between the SLEPs and SLEs.

 

[43096]

Probably it wasn't worth repairing even relatively minor damage to Mk3 sleepers, as practically from the date of completion there were more of them than were needed.

Yep, although looking at the photo, the sleeper the third sleeper that has become wrapped around a house is clearly a write-off: it has major structural damage.

Of course, as the topic is crash survivors, 47452 survived the crash and was rebuilt at Crewe Works.

 

[RPM]

Another "cut & shut" repair was class 117 DMS 51396 from set L720 which suffered collision damage in 1987 and received the front end from a withdrawn class 116 driving car. It was always thereafter distinguishable from the rest of the class by its lack of a headcode box in the roof dome. I believe it survives in preservation at a private site.

 

[Bikeman78]

Nope. 142003 was leading and still in service, 142008 trailing and written off.

Sorry, got my wires well and truly crossed!

 

[Neptune]

Several 156’s have survived collisions over there early years and most involved major rebuilds.

Off the top of my head:-

156403 (Ely. collision with a wagon or tractor)
156491 (Bradford Interchange. collided with the buffer stops when only a few weeks old)
156498 (Collided with 91019 at Holbeck Junction)
156473 (side swiped by a stolen JCB at a crossing near New Pudsey)
156468 & 156490 (head on collision at Ais Gill)
156483 (Hit a RES 47 outside Leeds station)
156489 (Head on with a 66 at Crosby Garrett)

Also previously mentioned in this thread was a 158 with a unique Lot no. Could it be one car from 158861 which was scrapped and a new one build after colliding with a 47 at Stockport.

 

[dubscottie]

Also previously mentioned in this thread was a 158 with a unique Lot no. Could it be one car from 158861 which was scrapped and a new one build after colliding with a 47 at Stockport.

I am almost sure its the car from 158833 that was damaged at Newton Abbott.

The damage wasn't severe enough to warrant a full rewire, so it was a cut and splice job. The way the repairs were done (joints in cables, wires run a different way etc) made it non standard so it got its own lot/diagram number.

 

[jazza374]

Several 156’s have survived collisions over there early years and most involved major rebuilds.

Off the top of my head:-

156403 (Ely. collision with a wagon or tractor)
156491 (Bradford Interchange. collided with the buffer stops when only a few weeks old)
156498 (Collided with 91019 at Holbeck Junction)
156473 (side swiped by a stolen JCB at a crossing near New Pudsey)
156468 & 156490 (head on collision at Ais Gill)
156483 (Hit a RES 47 outside Leeds station)
156489 (Head on with a 66 at Crosby Garrett)

Also previously mentioned in this thread was a 158 with a unique Lot no. Could it be one car from 158861 which was scrapped and a new one build after colliding with a 47 at Stockport.

Also 156417 on the Marks Tey branch, colliding with a road vehicle, as well as various Scotrail ones (458, 478, 499) which have already been mentioned in this thread I think.

 

[Far north 37]

Also 156417 on the Marks Tey branch, colliding with a road vehicle, as well as various Scotrail ones (458, 478, 499) which have already been mentioned in this thread I think.

156478 wasn’t involved in a collision as such it ran into some flood water and damaged all it internals.