Creation of class 230 DEMUs from ex-LU D78s by Vivarail

[adrock1976]

I've only just joined in this particular thread at this point, having noticed that there are over 200 pages devoted to this topic.

I was unaware of the power of the engines, but many thanks for clarifying that for me.

 

[47802]

I've only just joined in this particular thread at this point, having noticed that there are over 200 pages devoted to this topic.

I was unaware of the power of the engines, but many thanks for clarifying that for me.

The Centre Car will be unpowered on the 3 Car version but given the short length and Aluminium body 800hp should be good enough.

The Anglia franchise is due to be announced soon, if they don't take any, and more specifically if they don't take any of the limited number of DMU's that will be available in the next few years, then I think that just about wraps it up as far as these trains are concerned.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

What will the maximum passenger loading be of the 3-car unit?

 

[Dstock7080]

Just a thought here regarding the power of the engines.

Are they sufficiently powered to tackle any tough gradients that may be encountered?

I've only just joined in this particular thread at this point, having noticed that there are over 200 pages devoted to this topic.

I was unaware of the power of the engines, but many thanks for clarifying that for me.

The Diesel engines will provide 750v power to the LU electric motors and top-up the batteries, which will provide power when the engines are not in use, i.e when in platforms etc.
Normally only one engine will be in use but in times of the greatest demand the second engine will cut-in and during the times of low demand the engines will actually stop.

 

[Clip]

What will the maximum passenger loading be of the 3-car unit?

Paul, apologies as my posts are delivered later than I post them but if you go to the Vivarail website as I mentioned before then it gives you the answer about how they can be configured.

There's some nice graphics there too

 

[12CSVT]

To save having to trawl through 200+ pages of this thread, is there a conversion list of which D stock coaches have become which class 230 coaches ?

Thanks in advance.

 

[Dstock7080]

7058-17128-7511 have become 230.001, the only demonstration unit completed.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Paul, apologies as my posts are delivered later than I post them but if you go to the Vivarail website as I mentioned before then it gives you the answer about how they can be configured.

There's some nice graphics there too

Thank you for the link. The middle car seems to have quite a number of sideways facing seats in it.

 

[lincolnshire]

Cheers...

I can't find an actual platform length for BAU, but a rough look and measure using google maps suggests its possible to get a 2 car unit in at least - if they get a little snug with the buffers, that is... Just doing it out of idle curiosity to see if one could work the Barton line to save a 153

Well a 2 coach DMU was the usual traction that worked on the Barton Branch in the past so the station and other stations on the route took them then and will now i would have thought. Can,t see them shortening the platforms to fit just one coach as what the train is usually these days.

 

[61653 HTAFC]

Well a 2 coach DMU was the usual traction that worked on the Barton Branch in the past so the station and other stations on the route took them then and will now i would have thought. Can,t see them shortening the platforms to fit just one coach as what the train is usually these days.

Didn't a 185 or 170 regularly work the first service on the branch in the past? If I recall correctly it was some sort of arrangement between Northern and TPE, due to Northern not having a traincrew depot at Cleethorpes or Grimsby.

 

[southern442]

Paul, apologies as my posts are delivered later than I post them but if you go to the Vivarail website as I mentioned before then it gives you the answer about how they can be configured.

There's some nice graphics there too

Nice graphics they may be, but excuse me while I sob violently over the use of Fanisa seating in the artist's impression.

 

[Bungle965]

Didn't a 185 or 170 regularly work the first service on the branch in the past? If I recall correctly it was some sort of arrangement between Northern and TPE, due to Northern not having a traincrew depot at Cleethorpes or Grimsby.

Yes I believe that TPE worked the first service of the day I think, with a 185 however at most of the stations, the train was too long for the platform which caused a bit of a issue. This working stopped however a couple of years ago.
Sam

 

[Skutter]

Nice graphics they may be, but excuse me while I sob violently over the use of Fanisa seating in the artist's impression.

Perhaps they happened to have those seats already available for their graphics software.
Or, one of the selling points of the Vivarail conversion was the quick entry into service by using existing approved parts. That's how they could get certification by Sept 2015 ... err ...

Have they missed their window of opportunity?

 

[Clip]

Perhaps they happened to have those seats already available for their graphics software.
Or, one of the selling points of the Vivarail conversion was the quick entry into service by using existing approved parts. That's how they could get certification by Sept 2015 ... err ...

Have they missed their window of opportunity?

Who knows. They're still ploughing ahead with the demonstrator so they must think they can still make it work and sell the lot of them

 

[asylumxl]

Who knows. They're still ploughing ahead with the demonstrator so they must think they can still make it work and sell the lot of them

I think that Vivarail knows they can. Let's face it, it's not been set up by some anoraks who hatched the plan around a pub table.

Even if the units are a compromise due to their limited top speed, there's various places that are in need of extra capacity or spare units.

While some say the leasing costs aren't particularly cheap compared to new builds, this will have been inflated and I'm sure it will be negotiated down to a more reasonable price (the original price they wanted).

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

While some say the leasing costs aren't particularly cheap compared to new builds, this will have been inflated and I'm sure it will be negotiated down to a more reasonable price (the original price they wanted).

Are you in a position on the project that gives you any authority to speak on matters of artificially-inflated prices and of any subsequent price negotiation, as you have done above?

 

[Bletchleyite]

Are you in a position on the project that gives you any authority to speak on matters of artificially-inflated prices and of any subsequent price negotiation, as you have done above?

Probably not, but it is such a normal business tactic that I suspect it is a given in any business setting that the advertised price will be higher than that paid in most cases.

 

[Clip]

Are you in a position on the project that gives you any authority to speak on matters of artificially-inflated prices and of any subsequent price negotiation, as you have done above?

I doubt they are but I would bet that they are correct about negotiating it down to make sure they can sell thm and finish the project.

Though im not sure where people got the idea it was £3million a train from either but you didnt ask them the same question from memory on this long thread

 

[asylumxl]

Are you in a position on the project that gives you any authority to speak on matters of artificially-inflated prices and of any subsequent price negotiation, as you have done above?

No, but one would assume Vivarail would make use of a basic business tactic.

Unfortunately, not everyone has financial interests in ROSCOs I'm afraid .

 

[47802]

I think that Vivarail knows they can. Let's face it, it's not been set up by some anoraks who hatched the plan around a pub table.

Even if the units are a compromise due to their limited top speed, there's various places that are in need of extra capacity or spare units.

While some say the leasing costs aren't particularly cheap compared to new builds, this will have been inflated and I'm sure it will be negotiated down to a more reasonable price (the original price they wanted).

No but a few things have happened since these trains were envisaged to somewhat rain on their parade, namely the extent of electrification delays meaning any new DMU is likely to have a long term requirement rather than a stopgap, being ruled out for Northern, and a new regional DMU from CAF.

 

[swt_passenger]

Latest version of the 'D train' disinformation project here, as seen in District Dave's forum:

Discarded trains from the London Underground could soon be dumped on tracks in the region, prompting “serious safety concerns” from the rail union...

The RMT has warned that there could be serious safety concerns if the vehicles were adapted to run on overground lines, while Arfon MP Hywel Williams said the move would be “inappropriate”.

At this point, the government says there are “no plans” to introduce refitted tube trains on the railway network. But rail bosses confirmed they had spoken to the firm currently refitting the units, and the restrictions on them being used overground have been lifted.

http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/old-unsafe-tube-trains-could-9335349

Combined with the requisite photo of 92 stock, a real 'tube train'.

 

[Harbornite]

Latest version of the 'D train' disinformation project here, as seen in District Dave's forum:


Combined with the requisite photo of 92 stock, a real 'tube train'.

That article was complete wibble.

 

[swt_passenger]

That article was complete wibble.

...and old May 2015 wibble as well, despite just being posted about.

 

[Nym]

Combined with the requisite photo of 92 stock, a real 'tube train'.

It's 2009 Tube Stock...

 

[222ben]

Latest version of the 'D train' disinformation project here, as seen in District Dave's forum:


Combined with the requisite photo of 92 stock, a real 'tube train'.

utter wibble, railways (as we know them) havent been around for 200 years!

 

[swt_passenger]

It's 2009 Tube Stock...

Hardly an important error in the overall context of the thread though...

 

[trash80]

Well yes but if we can't get it right here...

 

[swt_passenger]

Well yes but if we can't get it right here...

In my defence I had just scanned the thread in "District Dave's forum" where someone had referred to them as 92 stock, although he too was corrected soon after...

 

[Nym]

In my defence I had just scanned the thread in "District Dave's forum" where someone had referred to them as 92 stock, although he too was corrected soon after...

And so he should be, it's so obviously 2009TS.

 

[superalbs]

GO-OP! Rail want to use a Class 230 on their initial Taunton-Swindon service. The Class 230 would be a brilliant way to start the service, and guage interest, with a relatively low-risk.

Source: http://www.somerset.coop/2016/06/going-places-co-operative-transport.html

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These two projects show how grassroots activism in communities can meet real needs and give rise to fast growing, technologically sophisticated social enterprises. What's more, those enterprises can remain firmly connected to the communities that gave rise to them, using membership participation to continually improve and adapt to the changing world.
Come along to 10 East Reach between 1pm and 3pm to find out more - and please stick around for the Annual General Meeting of SCS CIC at 4.30pm."