matt_world2004
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Where is the track access consultation? I found one for 2014 but not a recent one
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Crossrail - operating discussion and opening day 24th May
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Both pdf documents that would be difficult to quote in any substantive form.
It doesn’t give any details as to the actual stopping patterns, but it seems when services start going through the tunnels the frequency will remain the same to all the destinations, with only a few services going into mainline Paddington. Only difference is Maidenhead services will stop stopping at Acton and Ealing West.
When the final 24tph central section timetable starts Reading services will remain the same, there will be a minor increase in Maidenhead services and a large increase in Heathrow services, which will be the only ones stopping at Acton and Ealing West, although it’s not confirmed if all of these will stop there
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It’s pretty bad that there is no 4G in the tunnels and almost unusable Wi-Fi in the stations. This is a brand new line in 2022 fgs.
It’s always been WiFi in stations from opening, 4G and WiFi in tunnels later this year.
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Save your diaries for 6th November. Through running starts.
The current core service is every 5 minutes, 12 per hour, all day, every day.
When the Stratford lines are, then apart from the rush hour it's going to be 16 trains per hour. Assuming trains alternate, that's 8 per hour at Canary Wharf, Abbey Wood, etc - a 33% reduction. Somehow I don't see this anywhere. Running Crossrail just every 7.5 minutes from Canary Wharf is going to be a bit of a disincentive when the Jubilee next door is still running every couple of minutes off peak.
When the Stratford lines are, then apart from the rush hour it's going to be 16 trains per hour. Assuming trains alternate, that's 8 per hour at Canary Wharf, Abbey Wood, etc - a 33% reduction. Somehow I don't see this anywhere. Running Crossrail just every 7.5 minutes from Canary Wharf is going to be a bit of a disincentive when the Jubilee next door is still running every couple of minutes off peak.
I think it's wonderful. At the moment it's such a peaceful ride, almost otherwordly away from the usual hustle and bustle of London and the cramped, crowded, hot and noisy tube. It's an oasis of calm, quiet and cool air as you glide almost noiselessly to your destination. Doesn't need ruining by people yammering into phones or (as seems to be an increasing scourge) watching inane TV shows at full volume with no headphones.
Yep 6th November with the peak of 22tph until auto-reverse is resolved somehow.
Appears to be formed of:
- 12tph Shenfield - Paddington
- 10tph Abbey Wood - Heathrow/Reading
- 2tph to Heathrow T4
- 2tph to Heathrow T5
- 2tph to Reading (fast)
- 2tph to Reading (standard pattern)
- 2tph to Maidenhead (standard pattern)
The Abbey Wood branch loses out - the missing 2tph out of the 24tph would be Paddington terminators but auto-reverse still not reliable enough apparently.
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Amen to that. Why on Earth people want 4G on the tube and on Crossrail is beyond me. The underground transport network is one remaining bit of peace and quiet in London.
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No it's not beyond you at all – it's incredibly, self-evidently obvious why people might want connectivity, even if you yourself don't want or need it. But this is off-topic anyway.
I have heard a mix of things over the years, but I guess there's minimal chance of seeing any Shenfield services through to the West for the foreseeable future. It's not so bad given the multiple opportunities for same-platform interchange with a three-minute wait but boooo.
Any idea of the fast Reading service's stopping pattern? Presume the other Reading service stops as trains do now?
Having a service reduction (even if it was planned) can only really be described as a disappointment I think
I think the next stage will include a minimal Heathrow service, but yes the majority of services will terminate at Paddington for the next few years. Not sure there's a huge demand for services to/from East further West apart from perhaps to Stratford from some of the more inner London locations like Acton & Ealing. Besides (as you say) it will be a simple, same platform change anywhere between Whitechapel and Paddington if you do want to go beyond.
Hopefully only very short-term & temporary (<6 months). Any other way would be a reduction to the long-standing service frequency from Shenfield.
No, but I would think it likely more of the stops within Greater London cut out excepting Ealing.
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That's in the peak. The big service reduction from today at Canary Wharf etc is off peak (ie most of the time).
Indeed, that's what I was referring to actually. So even from May 2023 there's not expected to be minimum of 12 tph offpeak on either branch?
The off-peak was always intended to be less than the max 24tph.
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The current fast services (2P59 and 9P69) do not stop at Taplow, Langley, Iver, Hayes & Harlington, Southall, Hanwell, West Ealing or Acton Main line.
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That's a decent number of stops missed out. Enough to make it a reasonably attractive option from the likes of Maidenhead or Slough when compared to the GWR alternative
Ealing Broadway, West Drayton, Slough, (Burnham?) Maidenhead, Twyford, Reading. In reality it's a semi-fast service.
The current plans are going to be slightly different to what was planned 5 years ago.
Sources:
Network Rail - Peak service pattern for December 2019 (diagram from 2018).
Crossrail project - Elizabeth line minimum service pattern, table published in July 2017 [PDF].
From May 2023, it is intended that the GWR trains will run fast line from Paddington to Slough to call at Slough, Maidenhead and Twyford.
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You could follow the link in post#1112 (yesterday) for the detail, but this paragraph from that document gives the summary:
“2: to incorporate changes to Schedule 5 to facilitate timetable changes proposed for introduction on SCD 2023:
a: essential ESG London area changes to introduce the fast Slough and Maidenhead service (“the Weave”) vice GWR’s Relief Line services to free space for Crossrail and to improve the offer for key nodes. This uses the overlay fast London - Bristol path which is therefore withdrawn;
b: aligned with (a) the swapping of the Slough call in fast Oxford / North Cotswolds services with a Didcot Parkway call; and This is all led by the need to facilitate Crossrail and the agreement to relinquish Relief Line services (apart from times of the day and night that Crossrail does not operate) and instead use the Paddington - Bristol overlay fast path to run all day and all week the Main Line Paddington then Relief Line fast London - Slough, Maidenhead and Twyford service that currently runs only in the peaks.”
Thanks for sharing. This was likely the source of the idea that West Ealing would gain stops on Reading Services. I have noticed a lot of slack on the existing Reading services at Southall, which had led me to think that the West Ealing stops were still in the plan.
Hopefully they will at least tighten up the timings if the West Ealing stops don't materialise.
Also interesting to see that Hanwell also gets extra stops, taking it to 6tph with the extra Heathrow services. No such luck for Acton Main Line which is stuck at 4tph.
Also of note since T4 services restarted that it's now only 2tph, and no more shuttle services to T2,3. T5 looking at 4tph HEX and 4tph EL. T4 definitely on bare minimum of services.
T4 Heathrow Terminal 4
HEX Heathrow Express
EL Elizabeth Line
Unfortunately the Track Access Consultation for the final timetable removes the option for West Ealing stops on the Reading trains, so these won't materialise.
Snow1964
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The TfL Board reports (from couple of months ago) suggest the plan is now to open Bond Street on same day as through running starts, is this still the plan
It appears there are complete weekend closures on 30-31 July (this coming weekend), and 29-30 October, so a date of 6th November is week after the weekend shutdown.
If they are going to begin through running in November without auto-reverse, what is preventing the next stage from happening a lot sooner? I thought the main barrier was getting auto-reverse working.
Snow1964
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terminal 4 at Heathrow has its flights grouped into a few hours (in non Covid times), it has a couple of quite intense peak periods of couple of hours, and can be sleepy most of the day
Bit of a shame the shuttles won’t be run during these busy periods, but seems timetables don’t recognise local peak hours
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