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Currently got :
4 lines with planned Closure (Bakerloo, Circle, H&C, W&C)
Central line with severe delays due to train cancellations
District is part closure, part suspended, minor delays*
Overground and Met planned closure, part closure
Piccadilly part closure minor delays
TfL rail reduced service
4 lines good service (Jubilee, Victoria, Northern, Tram)

Not sure a potential passenger is going to consider severe delays and reduced service that differently, so why distinguish

*District Line: No service Earls Court to Kensington Olympia due to train cancellations. No service between High Street Kensington and Edgware Road due the unavailability of control room staff. No service between Tower Hill and West Ham due to planned engineering work. Minor delays between Earl's Court and Wimbledon due to an earlier signal failure at Parsons Green. Tickets valid on local buses and South Western Railways.


Wonder why “Planned closure, part closure“ is used, sort of implies there is unplanned part, without saying so, so why not just part closure or partial closure if too scared to say unplanned

Because I think TfL uses it for different sections of the line. So there might have been a planned closure (engineering works) from A-B, but there's also closure B-C for another operational issue.
 
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The District line closed a few times yesterday due to "shortage of control room staff" and then the Edgware Rd section closed completely after 1800. No tube services at all from Paddington and Edgware Rd due to the other closures. Can anyone confirm that "control room staff" are like controllers on NR who aren't safety critical and can often do things like have breaks at their desk or more like a NR signaller?



Control staff on National Rail lines are generally quite well paid (TOCs particularly) and reasonably well-sought after positions, so why so different on LU?

Regarding the first point, LU controllers *are* safety critical - they deal with traction current, as well as directly implementing rule book operating procedures.

On the wider point, controller on LU is indeed well paid, quite a bit more so than for TOC controller I think, and is well sought after - just not for the Met/C&H!
 

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planned closure - engineering works

part closure - no staff to run it. (unplanned)
 

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planned closure - engineering works

part closure - no staff to run it. (unplanned)
Planned Closure is the whole line closed due to engineering works.
Suspended is the whole line closed due to disruption.

Part Closure is part of the line closed but planned (due to engineering works).
Part Suspended is part of the line closed to disruption.

So TfL use Part Closure on the Tower Hill to West Ham section because that's obviously planned engineering works. They use Part Suspended on the High St Kensington to Edgware Road section because that's the unplanned engineering part.

With this logic, the Circle should be Suspended but the H&C Planned Closure but TfL aren't very consistent.
 

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Lu line controllers were part of the continuity of operations plan for the underground network after a nuclear strike.( And would have been based at bull and bush station) Regulating the service would have not been a priority after a nuclear strike so they must clearly be essential to the operation of the network.
 

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It did reopen after 2100 last night.
That is not what TfL broadcast. Apparently it's the same today too.
The District (High Street Kensington <> Edgware Rd), the Piccadilly (South Harrow <> Uxbridge), and Chiltern via Amersham did resume just after 21.00 as the night turn booked on, but the Met stayed suspended (all the trains had been put away for the suspension where nobody was avaliable and it wouldn’t be possible to bring them back out before close of traffic).
 

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Regarding the first point, LU controllers *are* safety critical - they deal with traction current, as well as directly implementing rule book operating procedures.

On the wider point, controller on LU is indeed well paid, quite a bit more so than for TOC controller I think, and is well sought after - just not for the Met/C&H!

Thanks, still a mystery as to why not for those specific lines then!

The District (High Street Kensington <> Edgware Rd), the Piccadilly (South Harrow <> Uxbridge), and Chiltern via Amersham did resume just after 21.00 as the night turn booked on, but the Met stayed suspended (all the trains had been put away for the suspension where nobody was avaliable and it wouldn’t be possible to bring them back out before close of traffic).

I understand that, its just there was no information to the average passenger that it would reopen.
 

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Thanks, still a mystery as to why not for those specific lines then!
Service Controller is paid the same rate for all lines (except the Waterloo & City is as that’s a slightly different role, kind of).

I understand that, its just there was no information to the average passenger that it would reopen.
All the publicity did say that the District and Picc would resume at around 21.00
 

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Service Controller is paid the same rate for all lines (except the Waterloo & City is as that’s a slightly different role, kind of).


All the publicity did say that the District and Picc would resume at around 21.00

The Tfl website didn't though - it just said "part closure" for some of the lines (definitely District) with no end time.
 

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I think the lesson from all this is that you can't (and indeed is irresponsible to) run one of the world's busiest metro lines with just a handful of signallers and no backup. I don't blame the staff, this current Mayor of London has been appalling when it comes to transport.
 

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without commenting on the mayor, the system in place has been running for longer than the mayor has been in office, this could have happened under any mayor from any party.
 

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The use of delays due to train cancellations is back today for Hammersmith &City

The Overground entry now gives precise dates such as cancellations on Chingford line until Tuesday 6 April, which implies full service resumes on Wednesday 7th April

Similarly the way it is phrased, the staff shortages on Enfield and Cheshunt line end on Friday 14th May. Again implies extra staff available from following day.

No exact date is given for Richmond line, so presumably do not yet know for these services
 
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The Tfl website didn't though - it just said "part closure" for some of the lines (definitely District) with no end time.
The “Part Suspended” message for High St Kensington to Edgware Rd section was removed at 21.06 on the 13th and at 21.15 on the 14th, and replaced with “Severe delays” on the 13th and “Minor delays” on the 14th for the section.

The line additionally advertised both days as “Part Suspended” due to the Olympia service not running and and “Part Closure” due to engineering work Tower Hill to West Ham.
 

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Yesterday the Victoria Line had half the usual trains running in the evening peak 20v.40 and yet a “good service” message was relayed.
 

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The “Part Suspended” message for High St Kensington to Edgware Rd section was removed at 21.06 on the 13th and at 21.15 on the 14th, and replaced with “Severe delays” on the 13th and “Minor delays” on the 14th for the section.

The line additionally advertised both days as “Part Suspended” due to the Olympia service not running and and “Part Closure” due to engineering work Tower Hill to West Ham.

I appreciate it was removed, but when it originally happened, there was no indication it would eventually reopen. If those times were known, it could help passengers for instance "service suspended until 2100 due to unavailability of control room staff"
 

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I appreciate it was removed, but when it originally happened, there was no indication it would eventually reopen. If those times were known, it could help passengers for instance "service suspended until 2100 due to unavailability of control room staff"

Totally agree, what they did is not much help to someone who looked up status at say 20:30 because they wanted to travel later that evening

The Current Piccadilly line message is
Severe delays between Acton Town and Heathrow all terminals due to train cancellations. GOOD SERVICE on the rest of the line. TfL rail and London Buses accepting tickets.

This one kind of implies no problems or delays Uxbridge-Cockfosters but as at least half the service normally goes towards Northfields and Heathrow I do wonder what definition of “good” is
 

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Diamond Geezer researched this a couple of years ago.


If you've ever found yourself sitting on a delayed tube train while a loudspeaker on the platform booms out "There is a good service on all lines", you may have wondered what the hell a 'good service' actually means.

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TfL have an official definition as part of their Service Status Criteria, a set of documents which has recently been revealed through a Freedom of Information request. As you might expect, it's complicated.

First of all, as you probably know, a sliding scale of delay and disruption exists. Suspended is the worst, then Part suspended, then Severe delays, then Minor delays, then Good service. Good service is the default if none of the others have kicked in.

An extra (secret) category exists, visible only to TfL staff, and that's Initial Service Alert. Here's the definition:
"When an incident occurs that results in the service coming to a stand for a period that is likely to be five minutes or less, an initial service alert (ISA) may be issued. Where an ISA is issued, minor delays will be declared automatically if there is no train movement after the five minutes has elapsed. The start time of an ISA is wheel-stop time or incident start time."
Sometimes the incident which caused the Initial Service Alert goes away quickly, and the public are none the wiser. But if the clock ticks past five minutes, 'Minor delays' kicks in and the new status is broadcast to the world.

The rules for what counts as a delay vary from line to line, and are usually different in peak hours to off-peak. To keep things really simple, let's start off with the Waterloo and City line. With only two stations, it all comes down to what time it is and whether trains have been cancelled or not.

Waterloo and City line - service status
Core time
(8-9am, 5.30-6.30pm)
Other times
MINOR DELAYS
1 cancellation​
2 cancellations​
SEVERE DELAYS
2 cancellations​
3 cancellations​
SUSPENDED
No movement for 15 minutes
Derailment
Person under a train​

At the height of the rush hour it only takes a single cancelled train for the W&C to exhibit Minor delays. It takes two trains to hit Severe delays, whereas at other times two cancelled trains is only enough for Minor delays. No trains at all for quarter of an hour, or an unfortunate incident, is enough to escalate the official status to Suspended.

The Circle and Hammersmith & City lines are the next simplest.

Circle and Hammersmith & City lines - service status
MINOR DELAYS2 consecutive cancellations
3× normal headway
Stoppage between 10-15 minutes
70-85% of scheduled trains in service
SEVERE DELAYS3 consecutive cancellations
4× normal headway
<70% of scheduled trains in service
SUSPENDEDNo movement of trains for 15 minutes

Four different factors are now in play to determine the status of the line - the intervals between trains, the speed of trains, the length of time trains have been stopped and the percentage of scheduled trains in service. Someone in the control room is checking all these conditions, and as soon as one is triggered the appropriate line status is declared.

Trains on the Circle and Hammersmith & City lines are generally timetabled ten minutes apart. One cancelled train triggers nothing, despite leaving a 20 minute gap on the affected line. Two cancelled trains trigger Minor delays and three cancelled trains trigger Severe delays. A gap of three times the normal headway automatically triggers Minor delays all by itself. At its most extreme, there can be a gap of 29 minutes on the Hammersmith & City line and the service status will still say Good service.

The Victoria line is the next simplest... and it's not simple.

Victoria line - service status
Core time
(7-9.30am, 4.30-7pm)
Other times
MINOR DELAYSHeadways3× normal lasting >10 mins4× normal lasting >15 mins
Trains moving slowly>10 mins of blocking back with 3× normal headway>10 mins of blocking back with 3× normal headway
Stoppage/Sit downup to 5 minutesup to 10 minutes
Scheduled trains in service75-85%70-85%
SEVERE DELAYSHeadways4× normal lasting >15 mins5× normal lasting >20 mins
Trains moving slowly>15 mins of blocking back and/or trains terminating early>20 mins of blocking back and/or trains terminating early
Stoppage/Sit down5-10 minutes10-15 minutes
Scheduled trains in service<75%<70%
SUSPENDED
No movement of trains for 15 minutes​

Ouch. Perhaps it's easiest to consider this the other way round.

If you see Minor delays on the Victoria line off-peak, this could mean a 15 minute period with long gaps between trains, it could mean a 10 minute period with trains being turned back early, it could mean 5-10 minutes with no trains moving or it could mean only 70% of the timetabled trains are in service.

If you see Severe delays on the Victoria line during the rush hour, this could mean a 15 minute period with very long gaps between trains, it could mean a 15 minute period with trains being turned back early, it could mean 5-10 minutes of no trains moving or it could mean less than three-quarters of the timetabled trains are in service.

Service status is a catch-all headline with a myriad of possible causes.

I won't delve into the intricacies of the other tube lines because they're even more complicated. Every other line is divided into central and peripheral sections, with different rules for each as well as different rules at different times. For example on the Central line any 10 minute stoppage between White City and Leytonstone triggers Severe delays, whereas that takes 20 minutes on the rest of the line. The furthest branches of the Metropolitan line stay on Good service for longer when trains run slowly, but move to Minor delays more quickly when there are cancellations.

Night Tube services have their own rules - for example here's the Piccadilly line.

Piccadilly line (Night tube) - service status
MINOR DELAYSSEVERE DELAYSSUSPENDED
Trains at a stand
over 30 minsover 45 minsover 60 mins
Gap in service
over 30 minsover 45 minsover 60 mins
Consecutive cancellations
234

One missing train, i.e. a 20 minute gap, still counts as Good service. A 30 minute gap is only Minor delays. Meanwhile it takes a full hour of stoppage for the Night Tube service on the Piccadilly line to be deemed Suspended. This might be worth knowing if you're ever trying to get home in the early hours.

If you're interested, the Freedom of Information request also includes the official Service Status Criteria for the DLR, Trams, TfL Rail and the Overground, each of which takes a slightly different approach.

As a final example, if you see Severe delays on the Overground this could mean trains at a stand on the main East London Line route for over 20 minutes, or at a stand for over 30 minutes on any of the other lines, or a gap in service over 20 minutes on the main East London Line route, or a gap of three times the line frequency on any of the other lines, or a train running over 30 minutes late or two consecutive trains cancelled or two consecutive trains turned short on any of the other lines. Basically, Severe delays on the Overground tells passengers bugger all.

The system behind these Service Status Criteria may be complex, and a blunt-edged tool, but has at least been designed to be objective based on hard data, and to avoid unnecessary escalation. And that's why you might see or hear a Good service being announced when the immediate evidence looks somewhat different. Minor delays aren't always that minor, and Severe delays can be particularly severe.
 

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Last weekend TfL announced and advertised that the Metropolitan line was running until 1900 but the line was actually starting to close from 1700. As buses didn't start until between 1800 and 1900, a lot of passengers were left with no alternative transport for a minimum of an hour. The station staff are really lovely and it is a shame they got such huge flack from customers. It would be better if TfL were more consistent in their messaging and to align it with the operation of alternative transport.

As it is mid week again, I will ask as usual (haha!) what's the situation looking like this weekend for the London Underground and the Metropolitan line in particular?
 

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Victoria Line this morning (Saturday) at Highbury & Islington at 09:00 at 4 minute gaps between trains. Similar at 17:00 returning from Oxford Circus. Don't remember gaps this long outside of disruption.
 

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Victoria Line this morning (Saturday) at Highbury & Islington at 09:00 at 4 minute gaps between trains. Similar at 17:00 returning from Oxford Circus.
12 trains cancelled AM
15 trains cancelled PM, 51.1% service operating.

Jubilee Line had half trains operating 24/48, 55.9% service;
although both Lines advertised “good service” as full Line covered at regular intervals.
 
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12 trains cancelled AM
15 trains cancelled PM, 51.1% service operating.

Jubilee Line had half trains operating 24/48, 55.9% service;
although both Lines advertised “good service” as full Line covered at regular intervals.
Interesting, thank you.

Do you know why the trains were cancelled?
 

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Buses in for the Met again this weekend, from 1700 Saturday and all day Sunday. Amersham to Chesham rail replacement is by Arriva London with help from Arriva Midlands and Arriva Southern Counties. Have heard Uxbridge to Wembley Park is by Westbus on Saturday evening and Ensignbus on Sunday.
 

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Buses in for the Met again this weekend, from 1700 Saturday and all day Sunday. Amersham to Chesham rail replacement is by Arriva London with help from Arriva Midlands and Arriva Southern Counties. Have heard Uxbridge to Wembley Park is by Westbus on Saturday evening and Ensignbus on Sunday.
Westbus on Saturday? Surely would be Metroline (same company, but deals with TfL services) - that's quite interesting....

Harrow to Watford, Rickmansworth to Amersham to be Abellio London once again from what I hear on the grape vine.
 

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Buses in for the Met again this weekend, from 1700 Saturday and all day Sunday. Amersham to Chesham rail replacement is by Arriva London with help from Arriva Midlands and Arriva Southern Counties. Have heard Uxbridge to Wembley Park is by Westbus on Saturday evening and Ensignbus on Sunday.
Friday 26 March 2021
reduced service Circle and Hammersmith & City lines between 1900-2130, with no service from 2130

Saturday 27 March 2021
reduced service throughout the day on the Metropolitan line, with no service from 1800
There will be no service on the Circle and Hammersmith & City lines


Sunday 28 March 2021
no services on the Circle, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan lines
 

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Friday 26 March 2021
reduced service Circle and Hammersmith & City lines between 1900-2130, with no service from 2130

Saturday 27 March 2021
reduced service throughout the day on the Metropolitan line, with no service from 1800
There will be no service on the Circle and Hammersmith & City lines


Sunday 28 March 2021
no services on the Circle, Hammersmith & City and Metropolitan lines
No service on the Metropolitan line apparently between Baker Street and Aldgate and between Amersham and Chalfont & Latimer all day Saturday as well. Passengers are to use Circle line to link Baker Street with Aldgate and to use Chiltern to and from Amersham.

Am I right in assuming the service pattern is every 15 minutes Baker Street to Uxbridge, every 15 minutes Baker Street to Watford and every 30 minutes Baker Street to Chesham on the Saturday? Not sure if the Chesham is an all stations or semi-fast.
 

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No service on the Metropolitan line apparently between Baker Street and Aldgate and between Amersham and Chalfont & Latimer all day Saturday as well. Passengers are to use Circle line to link Baker Street with Aldgate and to use Chiltern to and from Amersham.

Am I right in assuming the service pattern is every 15 minutes Baker Street to Uxbridge, every 15 minutes Baker Street to Watford and every 30 minutes Baker Street to Chesham on the Saturday? Not sure if the Chesham is an all stations or semi-fast.
No Circle services on Saturday; local bus routes and other Tube routes for Baker Street to Aldgate.

Service patterns are as written, Chesham service is all stations.
 

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No Circle services on Saturday; local bus routes and other Tube routes for Baker Street to Aldgate.

Service patterns are as written, Chesham service is all stations.
Yikes, Blue Goblin - so that means no trains on any line Baker Street to Aldgate? Also misread that the Circle was running a reduced service, you're correct - it is not running at all - so indeed as you say it looks like it is the 205 for everyone to shuttle about that corridor.
 

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Yikes, Blue Goblin - so that means no trains on any line Baker Street to Aldgate? Also misread that the Circle was running a reduced service, you're correct - it is not running at all - so indeed as you say it looks like it is the 205 for everyone to shuttle about that corridor.
Correct - only one SCL2 is available on Saturday so services are quite rightly being focussed at the top end of the Met.
 
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