Pete_uk
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Are the carriages longer than the current DLR ones?
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100andthirty
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Yes and no! It's terminology. The existing vehicles - 2 body, 3 bogie units - are known as "cars". I've put this in quotes to differentiate from the new train's cars. The DLR trains generally run with 3 "cars" - so six bodies. The new trains are 5 cars long. So each new car is longer than an existing body, but shorter than the existing "cars".
I hope this doesn't add to the confusion too much.
Putting it another way, the new cars are approximately the same length as the ex LU D stock cars.
I hope this doesn't add to the confusion too much.
Putting it another way, the new cars are approximately the same length as the ex LU D stock cars.
fgwrich
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They certainly aren't pretty, thats for sure. Is that pretty much the new DLR livery?
K.o.R
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The new livery is actually quite interesting, basically the Crossrail livery but with DLR teal instead of CR purple. I wonder what it would look like applied to Overground or Underground units, with orange/red lower body stripes?
D365
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It looks rather like an RER livery.
K.o.R
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It's certainly... bold.
MCR247
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I feel like it’d look better without the white sections at the front sides as well as having black headlight surrounds
Snow1964
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The legislation is in attached link, and there are lots of diagrams of what is and isn’t permitted in annex B relating to door colours and surrounds (hope this is current version as there is an annex on EU law to UK law)
However I cannot see anything relating to livery around the car ends, but I wouldn’t have thought it good practice to use your contrasting door colour for part that is not a door
Mikey C
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The uneven number of doors still seems strange to me. Effectively the end cars will have a reduced number of doors to the current stock
I understand that the differential door spacing is associated with the wheelchair/pram etc provision at different parts of the train.
Just an observation for the designers, but the existing cars which run in multiple each have such provision right by their middle doors, but not at the end doors. This is completely unknown to such passengers, who board equally at any nearest door, those with prams (sometimes several in a train), and those in wheelchairs (about once a year in my experience), and then find there is no provision inside and the gangway is too narrow/busy to go down. I patiently (sort of) explained all this to Mrs Taunton during the pram era, but never quite managed to get it through until those times had actually passed.
Just an observation for the designers, but the existing cars which run in multiple each have such provision right by their middle doors, but not at the end doors. This is completely unknown to such passengers, who board equally at any nearest door, those with prams (sometimes several in a train), and those in wheelchairs (about once a year in my experience), and then find there is no provision inside and the gangway is too narrow/busy to go down. I patiently (sort of) explained all this to Mrs Taunton during the pram era, but never quite managed to get it through until those times had actually passed.
Mikey C
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As these new trains will run in parallel with some of the existing ones, will there be different locations depending on which train turns up?
Yes, the newer existing cars, numbers 101 upwards, will be retained. Some of these are only 10 years old.
DanNCL
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It’s not good practice but does comply with all legislation.
I’m not sure exactly what that document is; is it PRM-TSI because that does not apply to the DLR; only for main line services. The correct legislation to for the DLR is the Rail Vehicle Accessibility (Non-Interoperable Rail System) Regulations 2010, commonly just known as Rvar.
The applicable section is contained within Schedule 1, Part 1.3 and requires that “each passenger doorway in the side of a rail vehicle must be indicated clearly by doors which on their exterior contrast with the exterior of the vehicle to each side of the doors (excluding any contrast resulting from a window or control device being set in the doors).”
Given that the area surrounding the doors does have a contrast with the actual doors, it seems that this is permissible.
Snow1964
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Does anyone know what train formation Mc-T-S-T-Mc means,
I am guessing M=motor, c=cab, T=trailer,
but S is unknown to me
I think it's similar to the S stocks, where 'MS' are the cars with wheelchair spaces - I want to say it stands for 'special' but not too sure. If they do only have the 2 motored vehicles I would be surprised!
It wouldn’t be that surprising given it’s becoming a more and more common configuration to have very few motor cars on modern units.
Fair enough - I'm surprised that this is the trend given the usual benefits of having a high % of axles powered, unless (like Aventras) motored axles are fed from an adjacent vehicle I suppose?
I didn’t say it was the case for these Inneos, though. It’s unclear as they wrote S and not TS or MS…
Photographs carefully arranged not to show that half of the currently (and longstanding) most popular, forward-facing seats at the cab ends, have been deleted.
The DLR used to actually promote sightseeing on their lines, down through Docklands. Not possible any more with everyone forced to face inwards.
The DLR used to actually promote sightseeing on their lines, down through Docklands. Not possible any more with everyone forced to face inwards.
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There are forward facing seats at the train ends, the last pic clearly shows them.
They are needed as a backup for manual driving so can never be removed.
Read it again ...
As stated, they have removed HALF of the forward facing seats, and the picture described is nicely framed to show just the one row left, not two as currently.
We have just got out of the last two years with the cab ends roped off for just the train op to use, it's noticeable how immediately the eight seats front, and back, are once again always sat in first. At places like Tower Gateway you can see people, particularly with children, jostling to be first through the front doors as the train rolls in.
As stated, they have removed HALF of the forward facing seats, and the picture described is nicely framed to show just the one row left, not two as currently.
We have just got out of the last two years with the cab ends roped off for just the train op to use, it's noticeable how immediately the eight seats front, and back, are once again always sat in first. At places like Tower Gateway you can see people, particularly with children, jostling to be first through the front doors as the train rolls in.
bluegoblin7
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Motor shoegear - ‘special’ seems to have been invented by enthusiasts because of the provision of the accessible area, which is frankly offensive. (Not directed at anyone in particular!)
It's a shame. Even as a middled aged balding bloke i still enjoy sitting in those front facing seats - much more enjoyable than looking at hideously ugly people's faces.
100andthirty
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I feel sorry for the Passenger Service Agents if they have to drive manually. The controls and seat seem much further back than on the existing stock and the windscreen looks narrower too. In as much that it matters on a CBTC railway sightlines might well be a problem. Probably the biggest issue will be seeing the platform mirrors or monitors, but this is such an obvious point that DLR is bound to have thought about it and have a fix.
Not all motor cars on the S Stock have shoegear ?
It looks like this is an effect of the wide-angle photograph, distorting perspectives a bit.
100andthirty
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6 bogies on an existing 3-artculated-car trains have shoegear. I would expect to see similar on the new trains hence 3 motor cars with shoegear on all motor bogies.
Mikey C
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I head for the rear seats, there's a better chance of them being vacant!