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I still don't understand this new 'Corby Express' service the DfT has been going on about. Just to clarify this is still a Corby - Kettering - Wellingborough - Bedford - London service?
I still don't understand this new 'Corby Express' service the DfT has been going on about. Just to clarify this is still a Corby - Kettering - Wellingborough - Bedford - London service?
Hope that's instead of the Market Harborough stop not as well as, with that stop being added to a Sheffield working. Nottingham already loses out on journey time with both Sheffield trains being non-stop to Leicester.The various press releases seem to suggest they've found a way of stopping both Nottingham to London services at Kettering, so this would suggest half hourly connections will be available from Wellingborough and stations South of there to Leicester/Nottingham, which is in some ways better than the service we have now (obviously how good the connections are will depend on the timings which are not publicly known at the moment).
With regard to the first part of your question, we don't tell disabled people they're not allowed to travel in a particular part of the train now, so why would we start doing this at the end of the year ?
Connectivity is a concern, though. There would be a very good case for extending the wires to Leicester and making it 8 cars from St Pancras to Kettering then 4 to each of Leicester and Corby. At peak times run it as 12 and do a 4-8 split to the busier one of the two.
Technically we do by providing a wheelchair space in a given area of the train and a disabled toilet to go with it.
Source? Haven't seen anything on the likes of BBC News and I would have thought this would be announced to the Stock Exchange.Stagecoach are taking legal action against the DfT over the pension issue - the franchise may no longer be a done deal, especially considering the extremely vague answers Andrew Jones was giving following the urgent question.
Source? Haven't seen anything on the likes of BBC News and I would have thought this would be announced to the Stock Exchange.
then behind pay wall.Stagecoach launches legal attack on Chris Grayling over decision to block train line bids
Dutch firm Abellio, which operates the Greater Anglia network ousted Stagecoach in the battle for the East Midlands franchise Credit: Bloomberg Finance/Chris Ratcliffe
13 April 2019 • 8:00pm
Stagecoach has dramatically raised the stakes in its battle with Chris Grayling over his decision to derail its train operation, with a threat of court action against the embattled Transport Secretary.
The row over pension liabilities intensified this weekend as Stagecoach’s lawyers issued the Department for Transport with demands for information about its exclusion from bidding on train franchises.
The letter, extracts of which have been seen by The Sunday Telegraph, is understood to be a prelude to potential High Court action.
If not satisfied by the Government’s response, Stagecoach could call for a judicial review over the decision to strip it of the East Midlands train network and exclude...
My guess would be a Class 700 with Grammar seating instead of Fainsa.Yes, 2 tph serving those stations plus Luton &/or Airport Parkway in up to 12 car formations, with informed posters suggesting this needs about 18 units. They are supposed to be 110mph services although OHL south of Bedford won't be up to it until 2023ish (look at KO1a in the MML pages for the Enhancement Delivery Plan). I also remember seeing woolly wording implying a high quality interior (i.e. nearer to 222s than 700s)
Considerable speculation on the rolling stock, the consensus here is that will be cascaded EMUs from elsewhere, with the favourite runners being
- ex Stansted Express 379
- ex LM 350/2
- ex GA / Heathrow Connect 360
My guess would be a Class 700 with Grammar seating instead of Fainsa.
A has been said elsewhere, the evidence is a Daily Telegraph report that is behind a pay wall. You can see the headline here; https://www.telegraph.co.uk/busines...s-legal-attack-chris-grayling-decision-block/
then behind pay wall.
It's what any company in Stagecoach's position would do. The DfT must have expected it and should have prepared to deal with it. Whether they have or not we'll have to wait and see, but I wouldn't ink in the changeover date just yet.
Hope that's instead of the Market Harborough stop not as well as, with that stop being added to a Sheffield working. Nottingham already loses out on journey time with both Sheffield trains being non-stop to Leicester.
- ex GA / Heathrow Connect 360
I'm still concerned that a slowdown of the fast Nottingham's is inevitable. If there's a guarantee that HSTs won't be making that stop then I'd be more at ease with the prospect, but we've had work at Leicester south and Market Harborough specifically to reduce times on a mainline route that does not average the speeds of its counterparts on the ECML/WCML - it would be a shame to balance the work with mroe stops.If the performance of the new stock is comparable to a 222 then journey time reductions are possible regardless. Obviously exact timings and stopping patterns are not yet in the public domain, but 2tph from Kettering towards Leicester and Nottingham looks a promising start.
The TfL Rail 360s are also probably the most broken units out of the lot due to Heathrow Airport refusing to fork out beyond the absolute bare minimum to maintain the trains all these years. It is a struggle to see 3 in service out of 5.I'd think unlikely to be the HConn units as these are 5-car sets.
The TfL Rail 360s are also probably the most broken units out of the lot due to Heathrow Airport refusing to fork out beyond the absolute bare minimum to maintain the trains all these years. It is a struggle to see 3 in service out of 5.
A bit more gets spent on 350 maintenance though, you get what you pay for!That's quite something given that the 350s, which are basically identical bar the gangways, never seem to cease to win awards for high reliability.
Given that the Crewe - Derby services are being extended to Nottingham I wonder if they will be combined with the Derby to Norwich services or something similar.
Has anyone seen definite confirmation of five separate Derby to Nottingham services? I am a comuter on that line so it will be great for me but I'm trying not to get excited until it is confirmed that none of the three EMT routes are being combined with each other. If it is true the level crossing barriers on the route are going to spend a large proportion of their time in the down postion.I'm sure I've seen somewhere that there will be five services each hour between Derby and Nottingham (3xEMR and 2xXC).
Why would you presume that?I presume Wellingborough will get a fare reduction when it’s down graded from Intercity to hand me down ‘express’ EMUs
Has anyone seen definite confirmation of five separate Derby to Nottingham services? I am a comuter on that line so it will be great for me but I'm trying not to get excited until it is confirmed that none of the three EMT routes are being combined with each other. If it is true the level crossing barriers on the route are going to spend a large proportion of their time in the down postion.
Finally the East Midlands gets some investment in its railways, compared to most operators services are only slightly improved since the days of British Rail and currently all of the trains except the Class 222 were built in the days of British Rail
I'm sure I've seen somewhere that there will be five services each hour between Derby and Nottingham (3xEMR and 2xXC)/QUOTE]
That's a large and welcome boost.
Whilst people on here argue the toss about the service between places hundred(s of) miles apart (be that Liverpool to Norwich or Manchester Airport to Newcastle or Blackpool to London or Holyhead to Cardiff...), we neglect situations like two decent sized conurbations linked by only three short DMUs per hour (with gaps of half an hour).
There's an express coach every ten minutes, so there's clear demand, but the railway service from Nottingham to Derby has been terrible for too long - this is one overdue improvement from the new franchise that is most welcome (most of the other service changes are relatively uninspiring - however much people want to believe in untapped demand - but Derby to Nottingham deserves a proper "turn up and go" railway.
The oldest 170s are now 20 years old, the 220, 221 and 180s are fast approaching that mark and the 222s are 15 now. I wouldn't call any of those 'new'. The 195s are only running Nottingham to Dronfield in the EM region, and even if you consider the new 800/801s on the ECML, it's hardly revolutionary is it? I don't actually think there's a problem with any of these trains (well, 180s excepted!), really it's the 153/6 that really needs replacing, but alas that doesn't look likely till the 2030s .In fairness, the East Midlands has a lot of new trains - the 170s, 180, 220s, 221s, 222s (and is due to get 195s when Northern introduce their Bradford service)...
(if you count the traditional boundaries of Lincolnshire and Northamptonshire as still being in the East Midlands then there are 185s and 350s and whatever class number the 350 replacement gets too)
...it's just that most of this investment has fallen outside of the current East Midlands Trains services - much like complaints about northern England not getting investment =/= "Northern" not getting investment.
The oldest 170s are now 20 years old, the 220, 221 and 180s are fast approaching that mark and the 222s are 15 now. I wouldn't call any of those 'new'. The 195s are only running Nottingham to Dronfield in the EM region, and even if you consider the new 800/801s on the ECML, it's hardly revolutionary is it? I don't actually think there's a problem with any of these trains (well, 180s excepted!), really it's the 153/6 that really needs replacing, but alas that doesn't look likely till the 2030s .
Oh true forgot about that, I guess that adds three or four more stations. Still hardly revolutionary!If Lincolnshire's being included in the EM region, the Leeds - Lincoln Northern service is supposedly being ran by 195s too when they're in service