East Midlands Railway livery and station branding

[221101 Voyager]

A number of the refurb wows carry a blue band on the front. Can anyone say the purpose of this please?

If you are on about 222's I believe it's where vinyl has worn off and the blue is visible again.

 

[raetiamann]

If you are on about 222's I believe it's where vinyl has worn off and the blue is visible again.

Thanks, on my post auto correct changed 222s to wows! It must be a Meridian fan.

 

[OTRail]

sadly it does seem that EMR's main contribution to passenger quality since franchise takeover is a distinct downturn in interior quality / ambience compared with EMTs efforts. One might think that in all the time these 180s have been not in use deep cleaning contractors could have been inside them to get them at least half decent looking inside.

It does not give joe public much confidence of a decent covid cleaning regime if they don't even look clean...(not that you can see covid but 1st impressions and all that)

I completely agree - under EMT the units were cleaned almost daily and were kept in near immaculate condition. EMR seem to be doing the bare minimum, which especially during these Covid times isn’t very reassuring.

The 222s have always been quite bad on the inside also

Not always - as I said above under EMT they were an acceptable quality.

 

[Hairy Bear]

If you are on about 222's I believe it's where vinyl has worn off and the blue is visible again.

No its because it's had a new centre skirt. They come in 'stagecoach blue' and have not been painted.

 

[507 001]

sadly it does seem that EMR's main contribution to passenger quality since franchise takeover is a distinct downturn in interior quality / ambience compared with EMTs efforts. One might think that in all the time these 180s have been not in use deep cleaning contractors could have been inside them to get them at least half decent looking inside.

It does not give joe public much confidence of a decent covid cleaning regime if they don't even look clean...(not that you can see covid but 1st impressions and all that)

It’s not just the inside. The 156s look disgraceful (not helped by the dull livery) and a 158 passed me a couple of days ago with a completely black front end.

 

[Domh245]

If you are on about 222's I believe it's where vinyl has worn off and the blue is visible again.

Whilst @Hairy Bear has confirmed that it's a new part issue rather than wear, it's also worth noting that the skirt is painted rather than vinyled. ISTR that there were issues early on with the paint used coming away quite easily to reveal bits of Stagecoach livery underneath, both on the skirt but also the lower edge of the yellow panel

 

[WesternLancer]

The 222s have always been quite bad on the inside also

don't get me started on their current tatty internal condition....which of course EMT did let get poor, esp in Standard. They were OK for some time but in recent years have indeed gone downhill.

It’s not just the inside. The 156s look disgraceful (not helped by the dull livery) and a 158 passed me a couple of days ago with a completely black front end.

Yes, this is indeed true. Of course I don't have to pay a fare to look at the outside...

 

[221101 Voyager]

Thanks, on my post auto correct changed 222s to wows! It must be a Meridian fan.

No its because it's had a new centre skirt. They come in 'stagecoach blue' and have not been painted.

Oh ok, didn't know that. It's just that I've seen photos where purple has worn off and blue was visible underneath. At least I know now that it could be worn off vinyl or a new skirt.

Whilst @Hairy Bear has confirmed that it's a new part issue rather than wear, it's also worth noting that the skirt is painted rather than vinyled. ISTR that there were issues early on with the paint used coming away quite easily to reveal bits of Stagecoach livery underneath, both on the skirt but also the lower edge of the yellow panel

Yes there were issues with some of the earlier jobs which was how I thought the blue was appearing again, but now of course we know it's how the new parts come painted.

 

[507 001]

don't get me started on their current tatty internal condition....which of course EMT did let get poor, esp in Standard. They were OK for some time but in recent years have indeed gone downhill.


Yes, this is indeed true. Of course I don't have to pay a fare to look at the outside...

Of course, a dirty interior is much worse. Trains are always going to get dirty outside at this time of year for example. Doesn’t give a good impression though.

 

[Azzy49]

It is a bit odd, a new Franchise should pride itself in Interior works... the former LNER Coaches that's understandable as they're not going to waste time refurbishing Stock that is due to get replaced soon, with the 180''s not staying for long either, I was never expecting an interior refurbishments as with the 222's being replaced later on with the 810's as as you already know. So in a way it does make sense their "non refurbishment plan".

 

[WesternLancer]

It is a bit odd, a new Franchise should pride itself in Interior works... the former LNER Coaches that's understandable as they're not going to waste time refurbishing Stock that is due to get replaced soon, with the 180''s not staying for long either, I was never expecting an interior refurbishments as with the 222's being replaced later on with the 810's as as you already know. So in a way it does make sense their "non refurbishment plan".

yes, it does make sense - but mostly to their accountants and business plan - not to the fare paying passenger - that's my point - no "sorry, our trains are scruffy, but we're sorting that out - in the mean time here's x% off our fares / your next booking etc etc" - not easy to do with the world TOC work in, but the fare paying punter does not care about that. It also damages 'the brand' - some punters won't find out about the new trains, they will have been put off by the last trip they took....I fear.

 

[221101 Voyager]

Does anyone know any diagrams for tomorrow that have HSTs or 180's on them please?

 

[londonmidland]

180111 with 180110 at St. Pancras this morning after working 1C06 0519 Derby to St Pancras International.

The interior is still, unsurprisingly, HT style.

 

[WesternLancer]

Does anyone know any diagrams for tomorrow that have HSTs or 180's on them please?

see posts 761 and 762 on this thread (for HSTs)

Transfer of LNER HST 125s to East Midlands Railway (EMR)

Anyone able to confirm which coaches have been removed from NL51, 57 & 58? From the powers of Facebook (so might not be 100% correct) and for completeness I have included NL56: NL51 41150 40748 42091 42150 42154 44094 (TF, TRFB, TSD, TS, TS, TGS) NL56 41100 41099 40711 42239 42240 42198 42199...

www.railforums.co.uk

 

[OTRail]

180111 with 180110 at St. Pancras this morning after working 1C06 0519 Derby to St Pancras International.

The interior is still, unsurprisingly, HT style.

I take it these units are working the ex-GC HST diagrams throughout today?

 

[LowLevel]

I take it these units are working the ex-GC HST diagrams throughout today?

No. The diagrams from today have all been totally changed.

A mix of Nottingham slow, Nottingham fast, Corby and Derby at the end of the day.

 

[OTRail]

No. The diagrams from today have all been totally changed.

A mix of Nottingham slow, Nottingham fast, Corby and Derby at the end of the day.

Ok no worries, I’m guessing these will operate to Sheffield on occasions as well, or is that solely 222 work now?

 

[WesternLancer]

Ok no worries, I’m guessing these will operate to Sheffield on occasions as well, or is that solely 222 work now?

I'd not be certain of that - aim was for the 180s to reduce HST use so one might expect them to be generally replacing HST diagrams (maybe?).

 

[STINT47]

180 weekday diagrams although DY32 is a Meridian at the moment.

DY31
0519 DBY STP (
0735 STP NOT
1012 NOT STP
1234 STP NOT
1445 NOT STP
1705 STP NOT
1945 NOT STP
2150 STP DBY

DY32
0452 LEI STP
0648 STP NOT
0912 NOT STP
1134 STP NOT
1345 NOT STP
1547 STP COR
1739 COR STP
1947 STP COR
2143 COR KET
2211 KET COR
2243 COR KET
2311 KET COR

DY33
0519 DBY STP
0749 STP COR
0932 COR STP
1105 STP NOT
1312 NOT STP
1705 STP NOT
1912 NOT STP
2130 STP DBY

 

[OTRail]

I'd not be certain of that - aim was for the 180s to reduce HST use so one might expect them to be generally replacing HST diagrams (maybe?).

The ex-GC HSTs used to operate the 13:59 service to St Pancras from Sheffield, although I’m guessing this will move back to the Meridians now. Other HSTs still operate through Sheffield, although that’s only on weekends and the early morning/late evening St Pancras to Leeds service.

180 weekday diagrams although DY32 is a Meridian at the moment.

DY31
0519 DBY STP (
0735 STP NOT
1012 NOT STP
1234 STP NOT
1445 NOT STP
1705 STP NOT
1945 NOT STP
2150 STP DBY

DY32
0452 LEI STP
0648 STP NOT
0912 NOT STP
1134 STP NOT
1345 NOT STP
1547 STP COR
1739 COR STP
1947 STP COR
2143 COR KET
2211 KET COR
2243 COR KET
2311 KET COR

DY33
0519 DBY STP
0749 STP COR
0932 COR STP
1105 STP NOT
1312 NOT STP
1705 STP NOT
1912 NOT STP
2130 STP DBY

Much appreciated, thank you!

 

[43055]

Updated list:

There seems to have been a bit of a clear-out of HST stock but the 180's have now entered service along with more 170's.

Class 43 HST power cars (Will reduce in number from timetable change):
43238 - LNER red, EMR branding
43251 - LNER red, EMR branding
43257 - LNER red, EMR branding
43272 - LNER red, EMR branding
43274 - LNER red, EMR branding
43295 - LNER red, EMR branding
43302 - LNER red, EMR branding
43305 - LNER red, EMR branding
43306 - LNER red, EMR branding
43307 - LNER red, EMR branding
43309 - LNER red, EMR branding
43310 - LNER red, EMR branding
43316 - LNER red, EMR branding
43317 - LNER red, EMR branding
43319 - LNER red, EMR branding
43320 - LNER red, EMR branding

MK3 Coach sets:
'blue' sets
NL03 in service
NL04 in service
NL11 in service

'red' sets (Ex LNER)
NL51 in service (6 coaches)
NL56 in service
NL57 in service (6 coaches)
NL58 in service (6 coaches)

Class 153:
153308 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153311 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153319 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153355 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153357 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153376 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo - 'X-24 Expeditious'
153379 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153381 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153383 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153384 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153385 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo

Class 156:
156401 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156403 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156404 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156405 - EMR outgoing livery
156406 - EMR outgoing livery
156408 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156410 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156411 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156413 - EMT regional blue (no red/orange EMT cab ends) with EMR Regional logo
156414 - EMT regional blue (no red/orange EMT cab ends) no branding
156415 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156470 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156473 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156497 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156498 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156902 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156402)
156907 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156407)
156909 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156409)
156912 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156412)
156916 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156416)
156917 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156417)
156918 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156418)
156919 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156419)
156922 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156422)

Class 158:
158770 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158773 - EMR outgoing livery
158774 - EMR outgoing livery
158777 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158780 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158783 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158785 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158788 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158799 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158806 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158810 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158812 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158813 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158846 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158847 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo - 'Lincoln Castle Explorer'
158852 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158854 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo - 'The Station Volunteer'
158856 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158857 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158858 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158862 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158863 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158864 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158865 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158866 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158889 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo

Class 170:
170416 - Full EMR Regional
170417 - Full EMR Regional - 'the key worker'
170418 - Full EMR Regional
170419 - Full EMR Regional
170420 - Full EMR Regional

Class 180:
180109 - Hull Trains blue, no branding
180110 - EMR outgoing livery
180111 - EMR outgoing livery
180113 - EMR outgoing livery

Class 222:
222001 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo - 'The Entrepreneur Express'
222002 - EMR outgoing livery - 'The Cutlers' Company'
222003 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo - 'Tornado'
222004 - EMR outgoing livery - 'Children's Hospital Sheffield'
222005 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222006 - EMR outgoing livery - 'The Carbon Cutter'

222007 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222008 - EMR outgoing livery - 'Derby Etches Park'
222009 - EMR outgoing livery
222010 - EMR outgoing livery
222011 - EMR outgoing livery
222012 - EMR outgoing livery
222013 - EMR outgoing livery
222014 - EMR outgoing livery
222015 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo - '175 Years of Derby's Railways 1839-2014'
222016 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222017 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222018 - EMR outgoing livery
222019 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222020 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222021 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222022 - EMR outgoing livery - 'Invest in Nottingham'
222023 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo

222101 - EMR outgoing livery
222102 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222103 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222104 - Full EMR intercity

Class 360:
360101 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360102 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360103 - Blue with White stripe (at Cricklewood)
360104 - Blue with White stripe (at Kettering on Driver Training runs)
360105 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360106 - Blue with White stripe (at Cricklewood)
360107 - Blue with White stripe (at Cricklewood)
360108 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360109 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360110 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360111 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360112 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360113 - Blue with White stripe (at Kettering on Driver Training runs)
360114 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360115 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360116 - Blue with White stripe (at Cricklewood)
360117 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360118 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360119 - Blue with Greater Anglia Fleet names (returned to Anglia)
360120 - Blue with White stripe (at Cricklewood)
360121 - Blue with White stripe (at Cricklewood)

Spoiler: Withdrawn Stock

43044, 073, 296, 299, 308, 314, 318, 423?, 468? are Withdrawn but still at Neville Hill
43050, 060 are at Derby RTC with Colas Rail on test trains.
43048, 052, 054, 066, 076, 089 are at Leicester (D.A.T.S). 43048, 089 are now part of the 125group.
43046, 055, 058, 059, 083 are now with LSL
43043, 045, 064, 081, 082, 277, 290 are now at Burton West Yard. 43045 might have moved since arriving on 3/12.
43047, 049 are at Gascoigne Wood
43465, 467 are at Barrow Hill
43480, 484 are at Derby Etches Park

Mk3's:
NL01 Scrapped/3 coaches to 125 group
NL06, NL07, NL10 Scrapped
NL08, NL12 stored at Gascoigne Wood
DY23 is at Derby Etches Park
DY21, DY22 are at Barrow Hill

Class 153's
153302, 318, 368, 372, 374, 382 are withdrawn and stored at Ely

 

[OTRail]

The EMR fleet seems to be becoming more modern slowly but surely - has 109 entered service despite not being reliveried?

 

[43096]

Updated list:

Spoiler: Withdrawn Stock

43044, 073, 296, 299, 308, 314, 318, 423?, 468? are Withdrawn but still at Neville Hill
43045 is at Long Marston
43050, 060 are at Derby RTC with Colas Rail on test trains.
43048, 052, 054, 066, 076, 089 are at Leicester (D.A.T.S). 43048, 089 are now part of the 125group.
43046, 055, 058, 059, 083 are now with LSL
43043, 064, 075, 081, 082, 277, 290 are now at Burton West Yard
43047, 049 are at Gascoigne Wood
43465, 467 are at Barrow Hill
43480, 484 are at Derby Etches Park

Mk3's:
NL01 Scrapped/3 coaches to 125 group
NL06, NL07, NL10 Scrapped
NL08, NL12 stored at Gascoigne Wood
DY23 is at Derby Etches Park
DY21, DY22 are at Barrow Hill

Class 153's
153302, 318, 368, 372, 374, 382 are withdrawn and stored at Ely

43045 is not at Long Marston. It was moved to Burton on 3rd December and I think it may have moved on since, possibly to Derby.

43480/484 I think moved to Barrow Hill today (with DY23?), presumably on this: Realtime Trains - 5Z82 1030 Etches Park Sdgs to Barrow Hill Colas Rail

Not sure why you are listing 43075 as that has never been an EMR power car.

 

[talltim]

Wonder when they are going to paint the canopy valances at Chesterfield? They are still in MML green

 

[WesternLancer]

Wonder when they are going to paint the canopy valances at Chesterfield? They are still in MML green

I think everything above a certain height - maybe top of support stanchions or some such, is NR responsibility - or so I once read.

 

[43055]

43045 is not at Long Marston. It was moved to Burton on 3rd December and I think it may have moved on since, possibly to Derby.

43480/484 I think moved to Barrow Hill today (with DY23?), presumably on this: Realtime Trains - 5Z82 1030 Etches Park Sdgs to Barrow Hill Colas Rail

Not sure why you are listing 43075 as that has never been an EMR power car.

I've updated 045 to Burton with a extra note about it possibly being moved on and removed 075.

5Z82 yesterday was 43467 with a buffet.

 

[Pippy1505]

423 & 468 now at Barrow Hill
47/49/73 and 299 at Burton
296/308/314/318 move to Ely on Tuesday 22/12/20

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

423 & 468 now at Barrow Hill
47/49/73 and 299 at Burton
296/308/314/318 move to Ely on Tuesday 22/12/20

Have they been off leased?

 

[43096]

Have they been off leased?

Yes, all being off leased.

 

[OTRail]

Have they been off leased?

Some of them are the LNER units that EMR no longer required due to extensive repairs no?