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Is it vinyled or painted? I passed it this time last week at Etches and it was still GA white!
UPDATE: According to the guard who posted the photo, it was painted - so must’ve been done in-house at Etches.
IMO I think December’s too optimistic, but we’ll have to see. I’m just hoping they won’t have them all outshopped by the time they transfer!
From what I read on RailGazette, they’re with EMR until the end of the franchise, after which they’ll transfer back to TfW - so makes sense if they’re vinyled. The light clusters and the photo make me think it’s been painted though…
IMO I think December’s too optimistic, but we’ll have to see. I’m just hoping they won’t have them all outshopped by the time they transfer!
From what I read on RailGazette, they’re with EMR until the end of the franchise, after which they’ll transfer back to TfW - so makes sense if they’re vinyled. The light clusters and the photo make me think it’s been painted though…
I think you've got the wrong end of the stick- they're to be subleased until the end of their TfW contract, at which point the lease is expected to transfer to EMR permanently.
I think you've got the wrong end of the stick- they're to be subleased until the end of their TfW contract, at which point the lease is expected to transfer to EMR permanently.
Went to check out 170273 for myself today - just as 43055 speculated, the unit was vinyled so I can imagine it will go for a full repaint at some point. Working the Matlock shuttle if anyone wants to catch it today.
Class 153:
153308 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153319 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153355 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153357 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153379 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
153384 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
Class 156:
156401 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156403 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156404 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo 156405 - EMR outgoing livery
156406 - EMR outgoing livery
156408 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156410 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156411 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156413 - EMT regional blue (no red/orange EMT cab ends) with EMR Regional logo
156414 - EMT regional blue (no red/orange EMT cab ends) no branding
156415 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156470 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156473 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156497 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo
156498 - EMT regional blue with EMR Regional logo 156902 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156402 but might have been renumbered back to 402) 156907 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156407)
156909 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156409), Currently Stored at Barrow Hill
156912 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156412)
156916 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156416)
156917 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156417), Currently Stored at Barrow Hill
156918 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156418)
156919 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156419)
156922 - EMR outgoing livery (ex 156422)
Class 158:
158770 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo 158773 - EMR outgoing livery
158774 - EMR outgoing livery
158777 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158780 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158783 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158785 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158788 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158799 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158806 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158810 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158812 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158813 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158846 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158847 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo - 'Lincoln Castle Explorer'
158852 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158854 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo - 'The Station Volunteer'
158856 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158857 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158858 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158862 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158863 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158864 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158865 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158866 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
158889 - EMT intercity white with EMR Regional logo
Class 170: 170273 - Full EMR Regional
170416 - Full EMR Regional
170417 - Full EMR Regional - 'the key worker'
170418 - Full EMR Regional
170419 - Full EMR Regional
170420 - Full EMR Regional
170503 - Full EMR Regional 170509 - Purple with WMR branding (returned to WMR)
170511 - Full EMR Regional
170515 - Full EMR Regional
170517 - Purple with WMR branding (returned to WMR)
170530 - Full EMR Regional
170531 - Full EMR Regional - Low Emissions Train branding (Ad Blue trial)
170532 - Full EMR Regional 170533 - Purple with WMR branding (returned to WMR)
170534 - Full EMR Regional
Class 222:
222001 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo - 'The Entrepreneur Express' 222002 - EMR outgoing livery - 'The Cutlers' Company'
222003 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo - 'Tornado' 222004 - EMR outgoing livery - 'Children's Hospital Sheffield'
222005 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo 222006 - EMR outgoing livery - 'The Carbon Cutter'
222007 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo 222008 - EMR outgoing livery - 'Derby Etches Park'
222009 - EMR outgoing livery
222010 - EMR outgoing livery
222011 - EMR outgoing livery
222012 - EMR outgoing livery
222013 - EMR outgoing livery
222014 - EMR outgoing livery
222015 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo - '175 Years of Derby's Railways 1839-2014'
222016 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222017 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo 222018 - EMR outgoing livery
222019 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222020 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222021 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo 222022 - EMR outgoing livery - 'Invest in Nottingham'
222023 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222101 - EMR outgoing livery
222102 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo
222103 - EMT intercity white with EMR Intercity logo 222104 - Full EMR intercity
Class 360:
360101 - Blue with EMR Connect branding 360102 - Full EMR Connect
360103 - Blue with EMR Connect branding
360104 - Blue
360105 - Blue with EMR Connect branding
360106 - Blue with EMR Connect branding
360107 - Blue with EMR Connect branding
360108 - Blue with EMR Connect branding
360109 - Blue
360110 - Blue with EMR Connect branding
360111 - Blue with EMR Connect branding 360112 - Full EMR Connect
360113 - Blue with EMR Connect branding
360114 - Blue with EMR Connect branding
360115 - Blue with EMR Connect branding
360116 - Blue with EMR Connect branding
360117 - Blue with EMR Connect branding
360118 - Blue with EMR Connect branding
360119 - Blue with EMR Connect branding
360120 - Blue
360121 - Blue with White stripe - At Eastleigh hopefully for refurbishment!
43300, 307, 317 are withdrawn but still at Neville Hill.
43251, 257, 272, 274, 277 are with Colas Rail.
43290, 299 is being used on the NMT with Network Rail branding.
43050, 052, 054, 066, 076 are at Leicester (D.A.T.S).
43044, 048, 089 are now part of the 125 Group.
43046, 049, 047, 055, 058, 059, 083 are now with LSL
43043, 045, 060, 064, 073, 081, 082 are at Long Marston.
43238, 295, 305, 306, 309, 310, 314, 316, 318, 319, 320 are at Ely
43465, 468, 480, 484 are with Rail Adventure at Eastleigh
43296, 308, 423, 467 are with Rail Adventure at Willesden
43102 is now with the NRM at Shildon
Mk3's:
NL01, NL03 Scrapped/8 coaches to 125 group (3 from NL01, 5 from NL03)
NL04 Scrapped/1 coach sold to LSL
NL06, NL07, NL08, NL10, NL12, NL52, NL53, NL54, various spare 'red' vehicles from different sets have been scrapped.
NL11 Scrapped/3 coaches sold to LSL, 1 coach at Leicester for DATS
NL51 is at Neville Hill
NL55, NL56, DY21, DY22, DY23 are at Ely
NL57, NL58 selected vehicles scraped, at Burton West Yard or Ely
ex EMT spares: 3 scrapped, 1 sold to LSL
shared spare buffet 40751 (between VTEC/LNER and EMT/R) is now owned by the Cambrian Heritage Railway and is at Oswestry.
Class 153's
153311, 376, 381, 383, 385 are stored at Burton West Yard
153310, 313, 318, 321, 326, 368, 372, 374, 382 are now with TFW (374 as spares)
153302 has been scraped
You can‘t make a silk purse our of a sow’s ear - with the 222s due to be gone within the next two years I’d hope Abelio concentrates on improving services (returning them to normal) rather than wasting money painting lipstick on a pig.
Thats the issue here. They failed at both meanwhile other operators have managed to do both rebranding and improvements at the same time even if problems still occur along the way.
with SWR, it varies fleet by fleet.
From the EMR side of things, As a company whose brand colour palette is a complete stark contrast to the predecessor its just disappointing more progress hasn’t been made than what we have now.
with SWR, it varies fleet by fleet.
From the EMR side of things, As a company whose brand colour palette is a complete stark contrast to the predecessor its just disappointing more progress hasn’t been made than what we have now.
In 2007 Central Trains handed back their franchise with the vast majority of East Midlands stations still in Regional Railways colours and with their signage from the early 90s and branded as such. The class 323s dating from the mid 90s were still in their BR livery and the 153s and 150s had only been recently repainted.
In 2012 East Midlands Trains still had Central green class 153s running around. Most of the stations still had the BR era signage they'd inherited from Central Trains and MML, with a few exceptions. The BR stuff was largely left as it happens, the more gaudy Central signage at places like Long Eaton or MML at Chesterfield disappeared more quickly. It was 2014 before most stations were rebranded.
So the previous franchises managed 10 years (without ever getting rebranding really sorted) in the case of Central and 7 years (5 for the trains) in the case of EMT before getting properly sorted out in terms of branding.
Most places have been painted fairly recently by EMT, they're in neutral colours - what is the rush when it's possibly going to change again? The *idea* was meant to be a big bang revolution like Greater Anglia - new trains, rebranded stations etc all happening at the same time and keep the old ticking over until then because it doesn't really matter. Of course COVID and other industry problems have cocked that up.
Unless you're an enthusiast with a branding obsession, not quite 2 years, with a global crisis occupying all but 6 months of that, is irrelevant.
with SWR, it varies fleet by fleet.
From the EMR side of things, As a company whose brand colour palette is a complete stark contrast to the predecessor its just disappointing more progress hasn’t been made than what we have now.
So the previous franchises managed 10 years (without ever getting rebranding really sorted) in the case of Central and 7 years (5 for the trains) in the case of EMT before getting properly sorted out in terms of branding.
So the previous franchises managed 10 years (without ever getting rebranding really sorted) in the case of Central and 7 years (5 for the trains) in the case of EMT before getting properly sorted out in terms of branding.
Most places have been painted fairly recently by EMT, they're in neutral colours - what is the rush when it's possibly going to change again? The *idea* was meant to be a big bang revolution like Greater Anglia - new trains, rebranded stations etc all happening at the same time and keep the old ticking over until then because it doesn't really matter. Of course COVID and other industry problems have cocked that up.
EMR when compared with franchises like WMT who have managed to rebrand almost every train and station within 4 years. It shows it clearly can be done despite the future of rail being unclear and despite the pandemic.
Its just disappointing that EMR havent made more progress than what we have now.
EMR when compared with franchises like WMT who have managed to rebrand almost every train and station within 4 years. It shows it clearly can be done despite the future of rail being unclear and despite the pandemic.
Its just disappointing that EMR havent made more progress than what we have now.
What is the biggest reason that EMR haven't got enough stock to improve services, let me give you a clue WMT still have the 170s they were hoping to introduce. Most of the rolling stock issues are down to other operators. Anglia were late releasing 156s (because their new stock didn't work) - WMR are late releasing the 170s (because their new stock doesn't work). I am sure that some of the things are within EMRs direct management but they are not getting the newer stock they expected and some of the older stock, (156) probably are not as reliable as they could be as they were not expecting them to still be with them now.
EMR when compared with franchises like WMT who have managed to rebrand almost every train and station within 4 years. It shows it clearly can be done despite the future of rail being unclear and despite the pandemic.
Its just disappointing that EMR havent made more progress than what we have now.
WMT's West Midlands rebrand was inevitable - it was a big part of the local authority agenda for multimodal rebranding to happen (rail, bus and tram) and the West Coast side was intended to differentiate between the two halves of the business for longer term strategic reasons.
The two companies aren't comparable. The IC operators usually rely more on their brands and have a smaller number of trains and stations to do - yet most Virgin West Coast stations until fairly recently looked little different to how they were in 1994.
As I said - EMR are running at a perfectly normal speed for this kind of thing.
Personally I'd rather EMR return to a full service than have purple trains first.
It is not like EMR are not on top of rebranding. All the incoming 170's are in the full livery and some of the WMT transfers are in purple ready for when they do come over. The 360's possible referb/branding has started with 360121 away and will hopefully speed up once more units go though the process. With the rest of the fleet which are due to leave soon (once 810's and 170's arrive) over half of the Intercity fleet is purple and a number of 156's are a well.
Personally I'd rather EMR return to a full service than have purple trains first.
It is not like EMR are not on top of rebranding. All the incoming 170's are in the full livery and some of the WMT transfers are in purple ready for when they do come over. The 360's possible referb/branding has started with 360121 away and will hopefully speed up once more units go though the process. With the rest of the fleet which are due to leave soon (once 810's and 170's arrive) over half of the Intercity fleet is purple and a number of 156's are a well.
Personally I'd rather EMR return to a full service than have purple trains first.
It is not like EMR are not on top of rebranding. All the incoming 170's are in the full livery and some of the WMT transfers are in purple ready for when they do come over. The 360's possible referb/branding has started with 360121 away and will hopefully speed up once more units go though the process. With the rest of the fleet which are due to leave soon (once 810's and 170's arrive) over half of the Intercity fleet is purple and a number of 156's are a well.
I agree with you because it would be pointless wasting their strained cash supplies on some vinyls that will probably be taken off in the next couple of years.
