Elton John

[bb21]

It's the description/definition. Think about it for a moment.

I must be thick in that case.

 

[tbtc]

I'm glad to see people discussing Elton John here.

Too often, older musicians seem to be ignored by the mainstream media (e.g. finding it hard to get their songs played on the radio), and I've not seen anything about him in the press for ages for some reason, so good to know he's not forgotten about... maybe one day he'll get the press coverage he deserves?

In seriousness, I was too young for the "credible" days of Elton John, so only knew the "celebrity" days (when he was better known for outfits and spats than for any new music that he was recording), but heard him interviewed on Danny Baker's radio show a couple of years ago and found it very refreshing, an insight into the creative talent that was there before he started spending more time on tabloid front pages than in the charts.

I'm sure that that level of fame would muck up most people, in fairness, but I think a lot of people of my generation grew up knowing the theatrical costumes and the Diana stuff and didn't realise what a talent he had. Maybe contrast with Bowie, who remained relatively aloof?

 

[DaleCooper]

I'm glad to see people discussing Elton John here.

Too often, older musicians seem to be ignored by the mainstream media (e.g. finding it hard to get their songs played on the radio), and I've not seen anything about him in the press for ages for some reason, so good to know he's not forgotten about... maybe one day he'll get the press coverage he deserves?

In seriousness, I was too young for the "credible" days of Elton John, so only knew the "celebrity" days (when he was better known for outfits and spats than for any new music that he was recording), but heard him interviewed on Danny Baker's radio show a couple of years ago and found it very refreshing, an insight into the creative talent that was there before he started spending more time on tabloid front pages than in the charts.

I'm sure that that level of fame would muck up most people, in fairness, but I think a lot of people of my generation grew up knowing the theatrical costumes and the Diana stuff and didn't realise what a talent he had. Maybe contrast with Bowie, who remained relatively aloof?

Off topic but seeing your Custom User Title I have to ask, are you Iggy Pop?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hLhN__oEHaw
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Don't feel sorry for me, feel sorry for people who can't appreciate words. Look at this way. If you went to see a play and you couldn't hear what the actors were saying would you still enjoy it because the scenery and costumes were great?

If we could hear clearly the words of every song we would be deprived of the fun to be had with mondegreens and the world would be a sadder place.

'Scuse me while I kiss this guy (Purple Haze)

 

[Gutfright]

Your opinion is also an opinion of what you mistakenly identify as an opinion. An opinion is not a definition which I gave. Your opinion is simply a mis-judged opinion.
Is that opiniated enough?

In my opinion, an opinion may also be a definition, as people may have differing opinions about what constitutes the correct definition of a word or phrase.

One example of this is the next First Lady of the United States, Bill Clinton, who famously told a grand jury "It depends upon what the meaning of the word 'is' is. If 'is' means 'is and never has been' that's one thing - if it means 'there is none', that was a completely true statement"

 

[talltim]

I was surprised to see Elton outglammed in this pic of him in his PJs, but he is with Liz

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the next First Lady of the United States, Bill Clinton

Now I'm confused!

 

[Lankyline]

With Elton John, when he does eventually pass on then everyone will play the same song over and over again in his 'memory'.

Somehow don't think it will be "i'm still standing"

On a different note (sorry i'll get my coat) he played a gig at Preston Guild Hall in the 70's and me and a few friends got to be roadies for a day, for the princely sum of £10 each !! (for those of you who didn't experience the 70's you could have a good night out on that then)
When the concert started all us "volunteer" roadies were told to disappear to the lighting gantries if we wanted to see the gig as only his trusted crew were allowed near him ! Cracking concert though.

 

[DaleCooper]

for the princely sum of £10 each !! (for those of you who didn't experience the 70's you could have a good night out on that then)

With cider in the students union at 10p a pint back then I could be drunk for a week on £10.

 

[Lankyline]

With cider in the students union at 10p a pint back then I could be drunk for a week on £10.

That takes me back to the happy days of Huddersfield Poly SU though it was mainly Theakstons and Tim Taylors ! Also the joys of seeing the Stiff tour, Ian Drury & The Blockheads and despite being brought up on Rock music, saw one of the best live bands ever ...... Mud, so much better than Elton John (just to keep this on topic....barely)

 

[MotCO]

However opinionated your opinion, it is important, in my opinion, to remember that it is only an opinion - in my opinion. The definition of opinion stays the same, no matter what your opinion, and is not affected by your opinion. Now, identifying an opinion is easy - in my opinion. However, in your opinion, it might not be see easy to identify an opinion - though the measure of how opinionated your argument is remains to be seen. If I'm wrong, which I may be, certainly in your opinion, perhaps not in your opinion, then it could be hard to discern whether I'm wrong in your opinion, in my opinion, or indeed in both of our opinions. However, there would have to be some opinionated person who, in my opinion, would express their opinion, which would be that my opinion about the identification of opinions is wrong. However, that does not help to discern whether or not my opinion of their opinion on my opinion, or even their opinion of my opinion of their opinion on my opinion, is correct, and, whether or not it is, in either my opinion or their opinion or your opinion or all our opinions, which are the most opinionated. Therefore, from this discussion, whether this matches your opinion, my opinion, both of our opinions, or neither of our opinions, we can conclude - fairly solidly, in my opinion - that an opinion is an opinion. Got all that?

You're not Sir Humphrey Appleby by any chance?

 

[Busaholic]

And there was me hoping it would be David and Victoria Beckham. What I mean by 'it' I could not possibly divulge, even to myself. I blame Cecil Parkinson myself!

 

[yorkie]

As for the matter in hand, I did a search, and found the story to be one of those boring tabloid stories that, if it came out, most people wouldn't even bother to read or take any notice of. I was expecting something much worse!

I guess what makes this 'newsworthy' is the fact that there is an injunction against reporting it, rather than the actual story itself.

The whole point - which virtually everyone misses and, indeed, you've fallen into that category - is that a song is a story or poem set to music.

That's more of an opinion than a fact.

Chicane's Saltwater is a classic, uplifting masterpiece that will never get 'old', but I bet not many non-Gaelic speakers know what the words mean. Yes, you could look it up, but then the same principle applies if you can't hear the lyrics of a particular song properly too.

 

[infobleep]

Somehow don't think it will be "i'm still standing"[emoji38]
On a different note (sorry i'll get my coat) he played a gig at Preston Guild Hall in the 70's and me and a few friends got to be roadies for a day, for the princely sum of £10 each !! (for those of you who didn't experience the 70's you could have a good night out on that then)
When the concert started all us "volunteer" roadies were told to disappear to the lighting gantries if we wanted to see the gig as only his trusted crew were allowed near him ! Cracking concert though.

Wow. Wouldn't be allowed to do that now. If it isn't health and safety, it's the band's being far more professional.

I once waited inside the Brighton Centre to be told unless I was there on business during the day I couldn't stay. I was only in there to get out of the cold. That was possibly in the 90s even.

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I guess if anyone gets a super injunction, can you simply travel aboard and tell a foreign journalist, in the hope they will report it, making the injunction less viable in terms of continuing to apply?

Is it against the injunction to speak of it aboard?

In the case of aboard I include Scotland, seeing as that doesn't count. But may be going outside the UK would be even safer. I don't know.

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[Phil.]

And there was me hoping it would be David and Victoria Beckham. What I mean by 'it' I could not possibly divulge, even to myself. I blame Cecil Parkinson myself!

What, Mr. and Mrs. boring?
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As for the matter in hand, I did a search, and found the story to be one of those boring tabloid stories that, if it came out, most people wouldn't even bother to read or take any notice of. I was expecting something much worse!

I guess what makes this 'newsworthy' is the fact that there is an injunction against reporting it, rather than the actual story itself.


That's more of an opinion than a fact.

Nope, it's a fact.

Chicane's Saltwater is a classic, uplifting masterpiece that will never get 'old', but I bet not many non-Gaelic speakers know what the words mean. Yes, you could look it up, but then the same principle applies if you can't hear the lyrics of a particular song properly too.

But the words - in whatever language that the song is set in - mean something and that's the point. Otherwise why go to the trouble of all the coupling and rhyming, scanning and setting? Why not just sing gobbledygook like Karl Jenkins' "Adiamus".

 

[swj99]

I've never considered myself a fan, but I liked Rocket Man. And he did some good songs with George Michael as well. Got it on a cassette tape somewhere.
I remember a comedy show in the 70s or 80s, where someone was dressed up as him, with some of those big glasses like the ones he used to wear. But they were even bigger than usual, and had windscreen wipers and screenwashers on. Anyone else remember ? Was it Kenny Everett ?

......Carter-Ruck.....the firm is very good at what it does.....

Very often, the reputation of a firm can be enough to get a decent result, or at least demonstrate to others that they aren't to be messed with. An old friend once happened to mention he'd received a high court writ issued on behalf of Rolex, due to allegations that he'd been selling replicas of their watches. Rolex were requesting damages and an injunction against him. He said he'd shown it to his solicitor who told him it wasn't serious and not to worry. I asked which firm was acting for Rolex, and he said Clifford Chance. I pointed out that it was the largest, most prestigious firm in the country at the time, and suggested he'd better get a second opinion. He duly did this, and was told it was indeed very serious.

Incidentally, the video for I'm Still Standing was filmed in and near the Carlton Hotel in Cannes, where rooms can cost £600 a night. Nice place though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHwVBirqD2s

http://www.intercontinental-carlton-cannes.com/en/your-stay-in-cannes/home/

 

[backontrack]

You're not Sir Humphrey Appleby by any chance?

Ah...mmm...well, Minister, if you ask me for a straight answer, then I shall say that, as far as we can see, looking at it by and large, taking one thing with another in terms of the average of departments, then in the final analysis it is probably true to say, that at the end of the day, in general terms, you would probably find that, not to put too fine a point on it, then I probably was pretending to be Sir Humphrey. As far as one can see, at this stage.

 

[Tetchytyke]

I guess if anyone gets a super injunction, can you simply travel aboard and tell a foreign journalist, in the hope they will report it, making the injunction less viable in terms of continuing to apply?

Is it against the injunction to speak of it aboard?

You can tell people that you are subject to an injunction, but you can't tell them who has taken the injunction out against you. If you were to report it outside the jurisdiction of the court you could still be considered in contempt of court when you return to the jurisdiction of the court.

You cannot tell people that you are subject to a super-injunction. If you were to report it outside the jurisdiction of the court you could still be considered in contempt of court when you return to the jurisdiction of the court.

 

[infobleep]

You can tell people that you are subject to an injunction, but you can't tell them who has taken the injunction out against you. If you were to report it outside the jurisdiction of the court you could still be considered in contempt of court when you return to the jurisdiction of the court.

You cannot tell people that you are subject to a super-injunction. If you were to report it outside the jurisdiction of the court you could still be considered in contempt of court when you return to the jurisdiction of the court.

If that is the case, how did this get out further. Did someone not involved the newspaper side get to hear of it.

I wonder can someone who brings a super injunction tell someone else? If they did, what would that do to the super injunction if it went further.

I wonder of there will now be an investigation into how the super injunction got breeched, assuming it did. At the very least, they would need to find out if it got breeched. Surely.

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[ilkestonian]

If that is the case, how did this get out further. Did someone not involved the newspaper side get to hear of it.

I wonder can someone who brings a super injunction tell someone else? If they did, what would that do to the super injunction if it went further.

I wonder of there will now be an investigation into how the super injunction got breeched, assuming it did. At the very least, they would need to find out if it got breeched. Surely.

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Wasn't this a bog standard injunction rather than a super injunction, so news that it exists isn't an issue?

 

[Spamcan81]

It's the description/definition. Think about it for a moment.
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Well, to quote the late Sir Thomas Beecham, "The English don't really appreciate music, they just like the noise it makes".
Don't feel sorry for me, feel sorry for people who can't appreciate words. Look at this way. If you went to see a play and you couldn't hear what the actors were saying would you still enjoy it because the scenery and costumes were great?
I don't have a narrow definition. Scat singing - a development of jazz - is not in the same category because it doesn't use words.

So Beethoven's 5th, Tchaikovsky's 1892, Bruch's Violin Cocerto etc. are not worthy of appreciation because they have no words?

 

[infobleep]

Wasn't this a bog standard injunction rather than a super injunction, so news that it exists isn't an issue?

OK. I thought it was a super injunction, the way people were going on.

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So Beethoven's 5th, Tchaikovsky's 1892, Bruch's Violin Cocerto etc. are not worthy of appreciation because they have no words?

Clearly not. Hehe.

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[DaveNewcastle]

OK. I thought it was a super injunction, the way people were going on.

I'm really unclear what you are trying to say here, and we are surely way off topic from this discussion of the musician Elton John, but I have to presume that you didn't read the Court's decision in the matter you are thinking of, here. The relevant statement is in paragraph 63:

There will be an interim injunction restraining the defendant from publishing the proposed article until trial or further order.

 

[yorkie]

But the words - in whatever language that the song is set in - mean something and that's the point. Otherwise why go to the trouble of all the coupling and rhyming, scanning and setting? Why not just sing gobbledygook like Karl Jenkins' "Adiamus".

Ok, what's your view on eRa - Ameno?

(which isn't a song I'd come across until today, and immediately thought of this thread! )

 

[Phil.]

Ok, what's your view on eRa - Ameno?

(which isn't a song I'd come across until today, and immediately thought of this thread! )

I've listened to it - it sounds as if it's a sort of cod Latin. Whatever the words are they're clear.

 

[bnm]

I do like the OP's timing with this topic.

Let's have a thread for someone who's currently not in the English media for anything other than their music and charity work.

Purely coincidental timing, or a thread designed to get the forum in legal hot water discussing something that must not be discussed.

 

[talltim]

I do like the OP's timing with this topic.

Let's have a thread for someone who's currently not in the English media for anything other than their music and charity work.

Purely coincidental timing, or a thread designed to get the forum in legal hot water discussing something that must not be discussed.

Elton always seems to be in the English media at the moment

 

[miami]

Purely coincidental timing, or a thread designed to get the forum in legal hot water discussing something that must not be discussed.

Whatever you think of his music I'm not sure not discussing it is the best thing.

If you're a fan of his, and you don't like his latest works, simply don't listen to it. It doesn't affect his older stuff. If you don't like any of his music why would you be bothered by his new works?

If there's some legal thing preventing people talking about his new works, that's another story entirely, and puts the works from being a side story in specialist press to being major news that will get many people interested.

 

[gimmea50anyday]

How is it that I, and many others, can enjoy a song in a foreign language without understanding a single word?

Rammstein!

Can't understand a word Till Lindermann says yet the music is awesome and the shows they put on are spectacular.

What a pity I can't go to Download this year...

 

[DaleCooper]

Rammstein!

Can't understand a word Till Lindermann says yet the music is awesome and the shows they put on are spectacular.

Yes, I was thinking of Du Hast as an example of a song whose words I don't understand but I like the noise they make.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3q8Od5qJio

 

[gimmea50anyday]

Es Fundebar!

 

[infobleep]

I'm really unclear what you are trying to say here, and we are surely way off topic from this discussion of the musician Elton John, but I have to presume that you didn't read the Court's decision in the matter you are thinking of, here. The relevant statement is in paragraph 63:

Either I didn't or I did but then forgot that bit. Not sure which.

You're right I was straying off topic.