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LowLevel said:
Specs for all 3 unit types were disclosed to the unions the other day - perhaps unsurprisingly they feature a lot of work on 360s, quite a bit on 170s and barely anything on the 158s.
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Presumably reflects the amount of work previously done and the timing of that work and also the likely longevity of the various units. TY for sharing.
 
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The odd thing is, given they often run the 360s in sets of more than 4 cars, you might have thought the 379 was a better unit, although I understand the lease costs were higher. Maybe they will find use elsewhere
 
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Trainman40083 said:
The odd thing is, given they often run the 360s in sets of more than 4 cars, you might have thought the 379 was a better unit, although I understand the lease costs were higher. Maybe they will find use elsewhere
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already confirmed in another thread that the 379s (at least some of them) are going to GTR on the ECML.
 
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Bald Rick said:
already confirmed in another thread that the 379s (at least some of them) are going to GTR on the ECML.
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The “379s are coming to EMR” rumour is clearly nonsense/wibble, but rest assured it isn’t limited to this forum!

I think it originated during the initial period of poor reliability of the 360s, and was fuelled by the fact that 379s would, at least on the face of it, have been better suited to a fully guarded TOC, due to the corridor connection removing the concerns around guards not being able to walk through the entire train*.

As things stand, the 360s are now pretty dependable. The refurbishment @LowLevel and @baz962 alluded to above sounds very comprehensive indeed, and should (belatedly) deliver what was originally promised to the punters. So there’s hopefully scope for optimism!

*The working arrangement “fudge” agreed for the 360s in 2019 was IIRC for a customer host or RPI to be rostered to the middle unit during 12 car ops, albeit it became a moot point during Covid, and they still don’t have good enough unit availability for many (any?) 12 car trains, due to the perennial issue of units running out of mileage before they can get in for exams.
 
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baz962 said:
ASLEF have commented on the refurb .
Apparently happening , starting may 25 and finishing December 25.
Main points apart from refresh are 2+2 FISA seats and at seat charging points.
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Finally! I know EMR wants them to a similar standard as the Auroras.
 
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43066 said:
The “379s are coming to EMR” rumour is clearly nonsense/wibble, but rest assured it isn’t limited to this forum!

I think it originated during the initial period of poor reliability of the 360s, and was fuelled by the fact that 379s would, at least on the face of it, have been better suited to a fully guarded TOC, due to the corridor connection removing the concerns around guards not being able to walk through the entire train*.

As things stand, the 360s are now pretty dependable. The refurbishment @LowLevel and @baz962 alluded to above sounds very comprehensive indeed, and should (belatedly) deliver what was originally promised to the punters. So there’s hopefully scope for optimism!

*The working arrangement “fudge” agreed for the 360s in 2019 was IIRC for a customer host or RPI to be rostered to the middle unit during 12 car ops, albeit it became a moot point during Covid, and they still don’t have good enough unit availability for many (any?) 12 car trains, due to the perennial issue of units running out of mileage before they can get in for exams.
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They still don't have enough unit availability for all 8 car units! They need 12 out of 21 units, which they clearly don't have, because if you look on EMRs website it states changes to facilities, followed by "will be formed of 4 coaches instead of 8" on a number of successive runs.
How are there 10 units not fully serviceable?

Hopefully the refurbishment you quote will be coming to these units soon, because they're in a bit of a state at the moment, with filthy floors that you're not going to be able to clean even with a carpet cleaner, let alone a vacuum or a dustpan and brush.
 
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spotify95 said:
They still don't have enough unit availability for all 8 car units! They need 12 out of 21 units, which they clearly don't have, because if you look on EMRs website it states changes to facilities, followed by "will be formed of 4 coaches instead of 8" on a number of successive runs.
How are there 10 units not fully serviceable?

Hopefully the refurbishment you quote will be coming to these units soon, because they're in a bit of a state at the moment, with filthy floors that you're not going to be able to clean even with a carpet cleaner, let alone a vacuum or a dustpan and brush.
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yes, this work on the fleet can not come soon enough. Glad to hear it is finally authorised...
 
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spotify95 said:
They still don't have enough unit availability for all 8 car units! They need 12 out of 21 units, which they clearly don't have, because if you look on EMRs website it states changes to facilities, followed by "will be formed of 4 coaches instead of 8" on a number of successive runs.
How are there 10 units not fully serviceable?
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It’s generally where they run out of mileage between exams, or develop faults which mean they can only run in multiple (eg compressor fault or cracked windscreen due to a bird strike), hence if the other unit runs out of mileage both have to be taken out.

spotify95 said:
Hopefully the refurbishment you quote will be coming to these units soon, because they're in a bit of a state at the moment, with filthy floors that you're not going to be able to clean even with a carpet cleaner, let alone a vacuum or a dustpan and brush.
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Yep. It does seem that a comprehensive reform is on the cards, which is good news.
 
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43066 said:
Yep. It does seem that a comprehensive reform is on the cards, which is good news.
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Indeed, but keep in mind the intended refurbishment (assuming the dates are correct) isn't set to begin for another 14 months. More than plenty of time for those with funding authority to push the dates back again if they desire...
 
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Edvid said:
Indeed, but keep in mind the intended refurbishment (assuming the dates are correct) isn't set to begin for another 14 months. More than plenty of time for those with funding authority to push the dates back again if they desire...
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It’s seemingly going ahead and fully signed off by all relevant parties now - hence the briefings mentioned above. May ‘25 should see the first refurbished unit in service, with the entire fleet completed by December. But never say never in terms of delays ;).
 
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baz962 said:
ASLEF have commented on the refurb .
Apparently happening , starting may 25 and finishing December 25.
Main points apart from refresh are 2+2 FISA seats and at seat charging points.
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Are those the same seats that are going to be on the Aurora sets?
 
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Where is the refurbishment of EMR fleets taking place? (other than 222 which is seemingly seat covers + vinyl only).
 
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Are 158s getting the Grammars replaced or are these getting a more light refresh - eg. covers and a touch up?
 
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387gwr said:
Are those the same seats that are going to be on the Aurora sets?
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It would be a shame for the seats not to be the Aurora Lean variant given how much work has gone into developing them; however I wouldn’t be surprised if the DfT allowed only a more off-the-shelf design.
 
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Trainman40083 said:
The odd thing is, given they often run the 360s in sets of more than 4 cars, you might have thought the 379 was a better unit, although I understand the lease costs were higher. Maybe they will find use elsewhere
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Only 7 diagrams. If the DfT control existed at the time and in a pre covid world then sending 16 379s to EMR and 14 379s to GTR would be enough to still see off the 365s. But we don't have a time machine and the 360s will work well for this route once they've been refurbished.
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I'm not sure what they are called
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The Aurora seats are modified FISA Leans. The 360s are meant to be getting FISA seats so I'd expect them to be the same to reduce the spares EMR has to keep around. Even if they aren't the normal FISA Leans are good seats.
QSK19 said:
It would be a shame for the seats not to be the Aurora Lean variant given how much work has gone into developing them; however I wouldn’t be surprised if the DfT allowed only a more off-the-shelf design.
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The Aurora seat is effectively off the shelf for other trains now the design work and tooling will have been done for the 810s.
LowLevel said:
New covers and foams, new table tops, some panel painting, and a deep clean, basically.
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The Grammers are good seats and don't need changing. A deep clean, painting, and changing of seat covers and foam is appropriate, though some plug sockets would be ideal.
43066 said:
It’s seemingly going ahead and fully signed off by all relevant parties now - hence the briefings mentioned above. May ‘25 should see the first refurbished unit in service, with the entire fleet completed by December. But never say never in terms of delays ;).
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Good to hear that it's finally happening.
 
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Refurb with brand new seats announced

East Midlands Railway (EMR) has announced the start of a £60 million programme to refurbish its fleet of Class 360, Class 158 and Class 170 trains. The project is being delivered in partnership with Angel Trains, Siemens, Porterbrook, and Eversholt and leverages significant private sector investment. All the work will be carried out in the UK providing a significant boost to the supply chain. Together with the introduction of the new Aurora Intercity trains, this will mean that all of EMR's trains will either be replaced with new trains or refurbished.
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EMR's electric Class 360 fleet operates EMR Connect and Luton Airport Express services between Corby and London St Pancras stopping at Kettering, Wellingborough, Bedford, Luton, Luton Airport Parkway.

The trains will be upgraded to provide better facilities for commuter, leisure and airport passengers including new 2+2 seating throughout the trains in a mixture of airline style and bay seats, luggage racks, charging points and new passenger information systems.
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Source: https://twitter.com/TodaysRailways/status/1770468210187407507
 
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43066 said:
Good to see it’s been officially announced, albeit seemingly no formal commitment to timescales as yet.
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Hopefully they change the lights as well, the lights are still fluorescent when the Meridians have LED (used to be a mixture of CFL and Halogen?) And I think even some of the HSTs had LEDs before they were scrapped.
 
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