Thanks, so with that in mind, and the software displayed on them being Alstom (ex-Bombardier) developed, can we expect them to be similar in capability to say the 730 screens (albeit obviously with East Midlands Railway's customisations)? And are they a smaller size than those, or the same size?
I haven't got a clue, I didn't have a tape measure, I don't have the exact item specification, and I haven't been on a 730.
As far as I know, there were no plans for Class 158s to get the Class 170 style livery.
Surely the Stagecoach liveried ones - aka, pretty much all - will at least get the lazy treatment the two purple doored ones have got then?
But with the "nationalisation" of all the managed contracts see livery variations or a uniform national livery? Time will tell. Do they need painting? I have to say I always think the ex Stagecoach 158s look smart.
Well this is cropping up on just about every thread "Well surely there's no point of X,Y,Z what with Great British Railways," etc, etc. Time "Great British Railways" decided on what is to be the permanent brand then, whether they adopt a national livery or not, before yet more money is wasted.
I can't say I have had a problem with the 170s. Not been on the 360s.
Northern, TPE, South Eastern and LNER are already nationalised. And they don't all have the same livery. I've not heard anywhere outside this forum of any suggestions of a uniform GBR brand identity. We're not going back to rail blue and double arrows. I suspect each existing toc will become a business unit of GBR. Green for Great Western, grey for SWR etc, and to bring this back on topic purple for EMR.
EMR is aubergine .
Thanks for providing us with all the information on the subject that you were able to provide
Without straying too far off-topic, I believe the original white paper mentions unified branding for services, and GBRTT does have a few designers on board. That's all I can say for now, although I expect a rebranding to be part of it.
Have you travelled on EMR 170s from all former operators (ex-Transport for Wales 170/2, ex-Southern 170/4 higher numbered, ex-ScotRail 170/4 lower numbered and ex-West Midlands Railway 170/5??
The scotrail ones are in the worst condition, they are horrible. I like the TfW ones, the WMR ones are bearable but the Scotrail & Southern ones are uncomfortable.
They’re all bad for different things.
I’d probably take a former 171 over the others.
The full size tables are unfortunately large mouldings or whatever you call them that are a one piece item - when people insist on sitting on the edge of them they eventually break in half and have to be removed. I don't think they have any more of the 170 tables in stock as they're being replaced so they stick in 158 tables if possible.
I guess it is all relative. I know I have been on some 3 cars and most certainly the ex WM units. Let me say they seem luxury. But then I spent years commuting on EMT Class 153s.
They're getting the full aubergine look.
Now do we know if the system will be staying Bombardier BTROS, or moving over to a new system like Televic or AlmavivA Moova?
I really think wait and see is going to be the best answer here. It won’t be long before the first one is out and then we’ll find out.
Unfortunately unless you have a particularly detailed interest in passenger information systems which I accept is a niche interest for some folk then I'm afraid that even the people with the information are unlikely to have the foggiest idea of what you're talking about.
I don't think anything has started yet and 158s are only getting a refresh.
One of them has gone I think along with the 170 which went. No idea which one though, it's upthread I think
Ah yes. 158847 apparently followed by 856 after collision damage.
856 was the unit that also received major collision repairs after hitting a bridge at Barrow Upon Soar, I believe*. At the time of the incident, it was in Central Trains livery, when it returned to service, it had been refurbished in East Midlands Trains style. It seems this unit has a mishap every time it wants a makeover.
BTROS.
End of January but as the wheelsets for 158s were made in Mariupol and that supply chain is somewhat broken, and it has scrap wheelsets, it might not be out immediately upon return.
