End in sight for the ASLEF dispute: Offer now made

[Gemz91]

Not sure we needed a text message telling us they were on a lunch break….. I’m sure most people would have been happy with one message at the end of the day with an update.

I take it back, it does seem like ASLEF felt the need to text us to tell us they were having a lunch break. I look forward to their next text tell me that they’re going to the toilet.

 

[ainsworth74]

This isn't the end, it's just the start of Aslef holding the country to ransom, again.

Drivers agree a deal = holding country to ransom

Drivers on strike = not holding country to ransom

I'm confused?

 

[physics34]

On this thread, no. But we have seen a lot of hatred towards striking staff etc, usually aimed at pay, in other conversations on this very forum, and the wider media. Obviously from people who have no career on the railway. I don't believe I specifically quoted peoples opinions on this thread.

Alot of ignorance out there. They wont take into account we havent had a rise in 3-5 years. MPs, rail managers, RDG staff have. They dont realise that the money was probably already there. We earn very well but not outrageously well. Pay alot of tax, shift work is a big chunk of the salary etc

 

[PLY2AYS]

This isn't the end, it's just the start of Aslef holding the country to ransom, again. Give it 2 years, max, and they'll be back on strike. It wouldn't be too bad if it resulted in some modernisation of working practices.

Thanks for that lovely positive outlook, Mark.

I think with renationalisation looming, a modernisation in practices is likely, but that should be a separate conversation to an overdue pay rise… don’t you think?

 

[DarloRich]

This isn't the end, it's just the start of Aslef holding the country to ransom, again. Give it 2 years, max, and they'll be back on strike. It wouldn't be too bad if it resulted in some modernisation of working practices. I don't begrudge backdated pay rises, but it's a big increase for the well paid.

Step away from the Daily Mail comments page........

 

[GRALISTAIR]

Better result than I expected but let's see the details, possibly tomorrow.

Welcome to the forum. Your first post I see. I assume you are a driver?

 

[43066]

FULLY pensionable. FULLY backdated. NO strings attached.

Seriously, what’s not to like my wonderful colleagues?

Fully agreed. A great outcome and credit to ASLEF for getting us there. Still a real terms pay cut versus 2019, of course, but there are future years to work on that.

Here’s to the opening of a new hopefully far more positive chapter for the railway for all concerned.

I take it back, it does seem like ASLEF felt the need to text us to tell us they were having a lunch break. I look forward to their next text tell me that they’re going to the toilet.

To be fair the messaging could have been better, couldn’t it?!. I was at a branch meeting this eve - a few highs and lows and negative discussions before that message came through.

Then everyone felt rather happy .

 

[yorksrob]

I've been using the railway since BR in the 1980's and without a doubt, the last three years have been the most chaotic I've known them.

Hopefully this will draw a line under a great deal of it and the railway can get itself back to growing the business.

 

[RogueOne]

Will these numbers be reflective for other onboard management grade staff?

Or is this just drivers?

 

[John R]

Presumably the implication is those who had no 2019/2020/2021 deal (delete as appropriate) are having those settled at 0%? I guess that's why it's so far below CPI(H).

I’m not sure I follow you. It’s more behind CPI(H) than when assessed against CPI for the 3 years, and for those who haven’t had an increase since 2019 there is an additional two years of erosion (which I can’t quantify at the moment.)

 

[43066]

A good sensible offer. Take the deal.

Look what happens when you get adults on the job!

Absolutely. Based on my own view, and that of my colleagues, we will bite their hands off.

I’d be staggered if this wasn’t accepted.

 

[Starmill]

I’m not sure I follow you. It’s more behind CPI(H) than when assessed against CPI for the 3 years, and for those who haven’t had an increase since 2019 there is an additional two years of erosion (which I can’t quantify at the moment.)

Yes, would've been more correct to put it that way. Real reduction vs 2019 if no deal in place since then, aside from this, but despite that, a much better offer and one highly likely to be accepted.

 

[Adrian1980uk]

Although I don't disagree with the offer but will this be adding to the £22 billion hole in the finances they seem to be in flap about or was this included on it

 

[greatkingrat]

Will these numbers be reflective for other onboard management grade staff?

Or is this just drivers?

This deal is for drivers, but I would be very surprised if the RMT weren't offered the same rise.

 

[PLY2AYS]

Although I don't disagree with the offer but will this be adding to the £22 billion hole in the finances they seem to be in flap about or was this included on it

Well considering drivers aren’t paid by the government/taxpayer, and this will allow the railway to return to regular running, I’d say it will actually make money, given productivity should increase, both for commuters and railway workers.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

https://x.com/ASLEFunion/status/1823774215348089330

We have received a pay offer from the Department for Transport in respect of our national dispute. It is a three-year pay deal (at 5%, 4.75% and 4.5%) with no strings. This will now be put to a member referendum.

 

[Bishopstone]

If the money for prior year awards is being paid as a lump sum, this will leave drivers flush with cash, for a while, and perhaps less inclined to work overtime/rest days for a few weeks, as is their right. I’m interested to see what contingency plan is in place to deal with this.

 

[martin2345uk]

Will drivers who have left TOCs automatically get this, or will they need to apply do we think?

 

[Peter0124]

Does this apply to Scotrail?

 

[DMckduck]

If the money for prior year awards is being paid as a lump sum, this will leave drivers flush with cash, for a while, and perhaps less inclined to work overtime/rest days for a few weeks, as is their right. I’m interested to see what contingency plan is in place to deal with this.

From my experience, there is always plenty of FD whales happy to pick up any and all scraps that nobody else wants.

Anyone with a high count will always be doing them

 

[PLY2AYS]

Will drivers who have left TOCs automatically get this, or will they need to apply do we think?

Great question Martin, I’d recommend asking your (current and/or) former LDC(s).

 

[dk1]

ELENOUR will sort them out

God bless her & her friend Hartley at Greater Anglia.

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Fully agreed. A great outcome and credit to ASLEF for getting us there. Still a real terms pay cut versus 2019, of course, but there are future years to work on that.

Here’s to the opening of a new hopefully far more positive chapter for the railway for all concerned.

Most certainly dear boy. Phew!!!

 

[winks]

Presumably the implication is those who had no 2019/2020/2021 deal (delete as appropriate) are having those settled at 0%? I guess that's why it's so far below CPI(H).

For info the majority of drivers had a pay freeze in years 2020 and 2021. So nothing at all. Except for SWR I believe who were in a multi year pay deal.

 

[Iamanoob]

Does this apply to Scotrail?

Nope, England only.

 

[Nicholas Lewis]

Well considering drivers aren’t paid by the government/taxpayer, and this will allow the railway to return to regular running, I’d say it will actually make money, given productivity should increase, both for commuters and railway workers.

The industry is heavily subsidised still so some element of all staffs salary comes from taxpayer. Hopefully if we can get stable period and just run the timetable we will keep driving up passengers numbers and the additional costs wont be detrimental to the overall cost of running the industry.

 

[Peter0124]

Nope, England only.

 

[winks]

Does this apply to Scotrail?

Certainly not!

 

[Tractor2018]

Why would it??

It's for 2022, 23 and 24. ScotRail have been getting increases in that time.

Bizarre you're not happy with that.

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The industry is heavily subsidised still so some element of all staffs salary comes from taxpayer. Hopefully if we can get stable period and just run the timetable we will keep driving up passengers numbers and the additional costs wont be detrimental to the overall cost of running the industry.

You didn't see my previous post regarding the "subsidy", did you? Or you did but you're being deliberately obtuse.

 

[Iamanoob]

I've been in Scotrail for about a year and walked into 2 pay increases in about 3 months, looking at threads in here, the English TOCs have been without a wage rise in 3 years, so it's probably going to work out the same (give or take a % or 2) when the Scottish Government get the finger out and give the unions what they are asking for.

 

[physics34]

This isn't the end, it's just the start of Aslef holding the country to ransom, again. Give it 2 years, max, and they'll be back on strike. It wouldn't be too bad if it resulted in some modernisation of working practices. I don't begrudge backdated pay rises, but it's a big increase for the well paid.

Its not far off inflation. We pay alot of tax..as we will on the backpay so its not excessive.