in fairness, that was a thousand(!) posts ago.I refer you to post #105 of this thread:
Are the roads clogged at the moment?
Are beauty spots overcrowded?
I don't think either are true.
Yeah but it is all hypothesis because none of that has happened.No they’re not - which is in no small part because a large number of people *are* following the guidance.
It wouldn’t take much for that situation to change, and this will become a major issue when it comes to relaxing restrictions on public transport, where social distancing decimates normal capacity levels.
It may be frustrating looking at empty parks and thinking “it wouldn’t be a problem if I was there”. No problem until everyone else does the same!
Yeah but it is all hypothesis because none of that has happened.
That was before the lockdown so my point remains - the case you raise is pure hypothesis.We saw a pretty good taste of what might happen on the weekend before the lockdown came in.
Much more of that and I can guarantee 100% we’d by now have seen large numbers of key workers downtooling.
I've found residential streets the best place to run, they are very quiet.
That was before the lockdown so my point remains - the case you raise is pure hypothesis.
None of the key workers I know would dream of downtooling as they would feel it to be the wrong thing to do. I am sure there are some key workers who would talk in that way but you get people like that in any occupation unfortunately.
That's the point - as you say the lockdown is working fine. Therefore nobody has 'downtooled'.The point about downtooling is that people already feel they’re taking some degree of risk by being at work. The lockdown is mitigating that risk to a level where most people feel as comfortable as it’s possible to be in the circumstances.
I for one will not be working if I don’t feel social distancing is adequate, and I can guarantee many others will do the same.
That's the point - as you say the lockdown is working fine. Therefore nobody has 'downtooled'.
Here is a cracker from The Times:
"A hospital trust was forced to intervene after nurses on their way to and from work were stopped by police and told their NHS ID badges were not sufficient proof that they were out of the house for essential reasons"
Pure muppet policing here
It certainly seems there are plenty of Police officers who need the sack once this is over.
.Addenbrooke's Hospital had to intervene after Cambridgeshire police officers allegedly stopped NHS staff on their way to work and told them their NHS ID card wasn't enough evidence of essential travel.
Both my cousin and I are key workers for the NHS and quite frankly feel more at risk whilst at work rather than, say, my cousin who went out to the countryside and saw hardly a soul (and where the risk is therefore, much lower)
The alternative is to go down some rationing route, for example certain people can go out on an allocated day, but I think this creates more problems than it solves - especially for something that’s hopefully in my going to last for a matter of a few weeks.
But if it is going to last longer than a few weeks, any issues generated by rationing will be outweighed by the problems of people not being able to get anywhere for months on end.
Perhaps we ought top start planning for rationing just in case.
But if it is going to last longer than a few weeks, any issues generated by rationing will be outweighed by the problems of people not being able to get anywhere for months on end.
Perhaps we ought top start planning for rationing just in case.
Same old problem is still here. I'll try and explain again.Why not?
So please direct me to the legislation that stipulates how many miles one can drive for exercise
He was the only one in the car. He could have lied to the officer but that's not his style. Clearly, honesty doesn't pay
Why? Just stay local. If you do, it works just fine.
Years ago you pretty much had to anyway.
Why is it such an issue? Surely the four reasons cover most reasons why anyone *needs* to get anywhere?
The exception is course what happens as regards returning less essential workers to work, but that's an issue all of its own.
Public transport isn't going to be completely freely available for some time to come.
The guidelines speak in terms of 'reasonable' distances. The law can't and shouldn't waste time defining every parameter of every restriction it invokes, - especially when changes are made in response to an emergency. The term 'reasonable' is perfectly acceptable in UK law.
You raised the potential of rationing, but you said for something that would hopefully be for "a matter of a few weeks".
I'm taliking about if it's not "a matter of a few weeks".
Why are you backtracking now ?
I was attempting to imply that rationing could be a solution to one set of problems. But I can also see it introducing a whole set of new ones, such that I think it would create more problems than it solves.
How do you enforce it, for starters? Despite the horror stories we read here, police are thin on the ground. Secondly checking someone’s credentials would likely require close contact, which is incompatible with social distancing. The moment you have a situation where *some* people can be out then it only relies on self enforcement, and I just can’t see that holding up.
Out of interest, what journeys do you *need* to make?
So once again, these are guidelines, not the law
The policeman should have exercised "reasonable juristriction" and sent my cousin home with a telling off/warning rather than issue a fine
We all have friends and family members that we will wish to visit after lockdown, even if it involves sitting three meters away from eachother in the garden.
You forget that the railway has had its own rationing system for twenty years. Just adapt the Advance purchase system. Get the people who would have been staffing the ticket offices to administer it.
So it’s *wish* to see rather than *need* to. In the cold light of the current situation I just can’t see this as being high up the priority list, as much as I understand it’s frustrating. (Personally I must say I’m *liking* the fact I can’t see certain family members at the moment - I bet I’m not the only one finding this).
With the best will in the world, I just don’t see how that can happen - especially on those parts of the railway where capacity is already limited (ie those places who have traditionally relied on 2-car trains!).
The first thing to happen will have to be to get non-essential workers back, that’s already going to put a massive strain on things bearing in mind the number of services we can actually run.
Any attempt at rationing relies on physical ticket inspections, otherwise we’re back to the point of people taking liberties. I just can’t see such a system being workable with the resources available. There’s no way you could ticket every service to make it in effect booked ticket golders