EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

[najaB]

Maybe i am wrong, but think that trucks from and to Ireland still cross England. Is there something chancing if the UK leaves the EU?

Yes, you are correct - a large percentage of freight from Ireland to Europe goes via the Irish Sea to Pembroke and Holyhead and then by road to Dover. However, after the UK leaves the EU (and assuming we aren't in the Customs Union) there will be two border (and tax regime) crossings which has the potential to significantly complicate matters. As such the longer Ireland-France ferry route may be more attractive in the future.

 

[fowler9]

Yes, you are correct - a large percentage of freight from Ireland to Europe goes via the Irish Sea to Pembroke and Holyhead and then by road to Dover. However, after the UK leaves the EU (and assuming we aren't in the Customs Union) there will be two border (and tax regime) crossings which has the potential to significantly complicate matters. As such the longer Ireland-France ferry route may be more attractive in the future.

For example in the area of Croatia I visited some people make a short ferry crossing down the Adriatic to avoid the part of Bosnia you have to go through to get to Dubrovnik.

 

[sk688]

Jaguar are owned by an Indian company, they could probably just make them in India.

I believe some XFs are already made there

 

[northwichcat]

Interesting to see a Brexiteer who has been trolling Vince Cable on Twitter thought we we part of the Schengen Zone. It highlights the point that some people didn't know what they were voting for.

 

[northwichcat]

For example in the area of Croatia I visited some people make a short ferry crossing down the Adriatic to avoid the part of Bosnia you have to go through to get to Dubrovnik.

Were you told the story about the possibly of an expensive bridge being built from the Pelješac Peninsula to just north of the area of Bosnia Herzegovina which comes out to the coast, so that it's possible to get from North to South Croatia without the border crossings?

 

[fowler9]

Were you told the story about the possibly of an expensive bridge being built from the Pelješac Peninsula to just north of the area of Bosnia Herzegovina which comes out to the coast, so that it's possible to get from North to South Croatia without the border crossings?

Yeah, we saw some of the ground works and cranes from the road on our way from Dubrovnik to Mostar.

 

[Groningen]

According to The Daily Telegraph the remain Conservatives can be labelled as traitors to the British people.

Behind a paywall: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ps-threaten-rebel-against-brexit-date-brutal/

 

[northwichcat]

According to The Daily Telegraph the remain Conservatives can be labelled as traitors to the British people.

Behind a paywall: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ps-threaten-rebel-against-brexit-date-brutal/

I'd argue my own MP Esther McVey is a traitor. It's estimated 56% of Tatton voters voted Remain, yet she isn't representing them by opposing Brexit.

 

[najaB]

As suspected, the Russians have had their hands in the Brexit pie as well:

Fake 'Russian Twitter Accounts' Published Thousands Of Posts About Brexit

More than 400 fake Twitter accounts believed to be run from Russia have reportedly published posts about Brexit.

Researchers at the University of Edinburgh examined 2,752 accounts suspended by Twitter in the US.

They identified 419 accounts operating from the Russian Internet Research Agency (IRA) and attempting to influence UK politics, The Guardian reported.

Professor Laura Cram, director of neuropolitics research at the University of Edinburgh, told the newspaper that at least 419 of those accounts tweeted about Brexit a total of 3,468 times - mostly after the referendum had taken place.

Commenting on the Brexit tweets, she told the newspaper the content overall was “quite chaotic and it seems to be aimed at wider disruption. There’s not an absolutely clear thrust. We pick up a lot on refugees and immigration”.

 

[furnessvale]

As suspected, the Russians have had their hands in the Brexit pie as well:

Fake 'Russian Twitter Accounts' Published Thousands Of Posts About Brexit

Has any research been done about accounts, fake or otherwise, emanating from the rest of the EU attempting to influence UK voters?

 

[northwichcat]

Has any research been done about accounts, fake or otherwise, emanating from the rest of the EU attempting to influence UK voters?

What do you mean 'fake or otherwise'? Do you mean accounts from real people outside Britain expressing their opinion? Surely someone like Michel Barnier is allowed to tweet about the benefits of being in the EU, just as much as someone like Marine Le Penn is allowed to tweet about the disadvantages of being in the EU.

 

[AlterEgo]

Has any research been done about accounts, fake or otherwise, emanating from the rest of the EU attempting to influence UK voters?

I’ll bet there has been a lot - but probably by GCHQ, so we might not get to see the results. At least, maybe not directly...

 

[furnessvale]

What do you mean 'fake or otherwise'? Do you mean accounts from real people outside Britain expressing their opinion? Surely someone like Michel Barnier is allowed to tweet about the benefits of being in the EU, just as much as someone like Marine Le Penn is allowed to tweet about the disadvantages of being in the EU.

OK, Ill remove the "or otherwise" bit if that helps.

 

[furnessvale]

What do you mean 'fake or otherwise'? Do you mean accounts from real people outside Britain expressing their opinion? Surely someone like Michel Barnier is allowed to tweet about the benefits of being in the EU, just as much as someone like Marine Le Penn is allowed to tweet about the disadvantages of being in the EU.

If Barnier did tweet BEFORE the referendum about the "benefits" of the EU, he has certainly changed his tune since with a never ending stream of threats.

 

[najaB]

...he has certainly changed his tune since with a never ending stream of threats.

One person's threat is another person's statement of reality.

 

[northwichcat]

If Barnier did tweet BEFORE the referendum about the "benefits" of the EU, he has certainly changed his tune since with a never ending stream of threats.

Maybe that's down to David Davies saying we'll refuse to honour our side of the existing agreement but want you to honour your side plus give us what we want after we leave? Whatever your view on the EU is, you should be able to see that the EU will not just roll over and accept that - if they did they would be an extremely weak organisation and it would open the door to allow other countries to screw them over even more.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I'd argue my own MP Esther McVey is a traitor. It's estimated 56% of Tatton voters voted Remain, yet she isn't representing them by opposing Brexit.

As you are aware, I live in the neighbouring constituency of Macclesfield to your Knutsford one and whilst the northern part of Cheshire East (Knutsford/Macclesfield/Wilmslow/Bollington) recorded an aggregate 54% majority in favour of "Remain" (including the two eligible to vote in our abode) in the referendum, it was those areas in the southern part of Cheshire East whose total votes for the total county area added to the votes of the northern area part, saw an overall Cheshire East "Leave" majority in the county area.

Let us not be too parochial in matters, perhaps those matters should be viewed in the light of the total County regional vote, when Members of Parliament are brought into the discussion.

 

[Howardh]

If Barnier did tweet BEFORE the referendum about the "benefits" of the EU, he has certainly changed his tune since with a never ending stream of threats.

Care to name one? It's not the EU that are leaving the UK!

Meanwhile there's concern that should there be no deal then contingency plans need to be put in place pretty darned quickly to avoid gridlock at ports come B-day. (Yvette Cooper on Sky news). The point is - if you "prepare" for no deal then aren't you accepting it as reality (and paying up front for the infrastructure for it) or just being plain sensible?

With 15 months to go things had better start moving - if close to B-day nothing's in place - no holding areas, no officials, no paperwork, no computers) and it's a no-deal Brexit then things will come to a standstill at 11pm on whatever the date is. If that's the case, there may well be a panic decision to remain after all!!

 

[northwichcat]

Let us not be too parochial in matters, perhaps those matters should be viewed in the light of the total County regional vote, when Members of Parliament are brought into the discussion.

Not sure what you mean there since Cheshire lost it's single county administrative area and constituency boundaries can overlap council boundaries. For instance, Tatton includes Lostock Gralam and Wincham in Cheshire West.

 

[thejuggler]

Care to name one? It's not the EU that are leaving the UK!

Meanwhile there's concern that should there be no deal then contingency plans need to be put in place pretty darned quickly to avoid gridlock at ports come B-day. (Yvette Cooper on Sky news). The point is - if you "prepare" for no deal then aren't you accepting it as reality (and paying up front for the infrastructure for it) or just being plain sensible?

With 15 months to go things had better start moving - if close to B-day nothing's in place - no holding areas, no officials, no paperwork, no computers) and it's a no-deal Brexit then things will come to a standstill at 11pm on whatever the date is. If that's the case, there may well be a panic decision to remain after all!!

If you saw any coverage of the impact of Brexit on car manufacturing earlier this week, the likes of Honda need to know what is going on by March 2018 - they then have 12 months to prepare for potentially not being able to receive 350 trucks a day to the factory carrying 2m parts from Europe - these parts are on new cars within a few hours. A 15 min delay at customs would cost them £850,000 an hour in lost production. They also need to know how type approval will work as the UK won't be a member of the EU system when we leave.

 

[nlogax]

The Honda example is just one of countless situations where having a post B-Day trade deal and customs agreement will matter, and where crashing out with no agreement will do untold damage to businesses operating across (formerly internal) EU borders.

For those who still bang on about wanting to 'just leave' and who crave for a hard Brexit, what's the thought process there? Why would such a notion be even vaguely attractive? Has reality escaped these people? I guess hard facts and details aren't their thing.

 

[Howardh]

Meanwhile, as operation stack has been dismissed as unworkable (and the government accepts that) there's a need for the build of substantial holding areas for all the lorries waiting for clearance should we not have free trade due to "no deal". Be such a shame to have to concrete over large parts of England's garden county and have all those heavy HGV's spewing out diesel all hours. Especially since Kent voted strongly to leave....

 

[EM2]

All they need to do is park them at Manston

 

[PHILIPE]

Interesting to see a Brexiteer who has been trolling Vince Cable on Twitter thought we we part of the Schengen Zone. It highlights the point that some people didn't know what they were voting for.

They did know. They voted for Brexit.

 

[PHILIPE]

According to The Daily Telegraph the remain Conservatives can be labelled as traitors to the British people.

Behind a paywall: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/201...ps-threaten-rebel-against-brexit-date-brutal/

They were Remoaners and because the vote didn't go their way they threw their toys out of the pram so, out of spite, have tried to frustrate the process.

 

[nlogax]

They did know. They voted for Brexit.

But what does that me...oh, ffs, I give up.

 

[fowler9]

They were Remoaners and because the vote didn't go their way they threw their toys out of the pram so, out of spite, have tried to frustrate the process.

Give us a list of the benefits of Brexit. Also a list of the EU regulations that you hated so much and why.

 

[fowler9]

They did know. They voted for Brexit.

Yeah, £350 million for the NHS.

 

[radamfi]

"Prosperity before Politics". That can only mean continued membership of the single market, or some close approximation.

 

[AlterEgo]

They were Remoaners and because the vote didn't go their way they threw their toys out of the pram so, out of spite, have tried to frustrate the process.

Is this really the best political analysis you can come up with?