GatwickDepress
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I would most definitely opt-in to that.
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EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...
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Me too! What a brilliant idea!
But if it even begins to look like a runner, just watch the Brexiteers and their Tory stooges step in to argue how they are fully entitled to deprive the rest of us of our EU citizenship.
TheKnightWho
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Of course - this was never about self-determination for the supposed majority, but about forcing the rest of us to conform to their 1950s ideal.
It would be interesting to see how things panned out if this were to go through though. Suddenly it would be a choice for individuals to make, and because it would be trivial to anyone to get EU citizenship, suddenly people would only have themselves to blame if they ran into any difficulties with it.
I can already see the headlines of 'TRAITORS' now from the Daily Mail, but I'm not sure that targeting 48% of the population - many of whom would be readers of the paper - would be the smartest move in the world. You don't see many Muslims reading the DM, for example.
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EM2
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I'd be interested to see what their argument is, seeing as dual citizenship is not at all unusual.
125Forever
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Did you miss the 80s and 90s when terrorists hellbent on conquering an unwilling population were blowing up the UK? Did you miss the 60s through 80s when the human race was at a very real threat of extinction? Did you miss the 40s when the nazis were on the march?
Born in 1985, so missed three of those. Sorry to disappoint hun.
Born in 1985, so missed three of those. Sorry to disappoint hun.
Never read a history book then?
125Forever
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For me personally? Well, what answer should I give here - should I cow tow to the liberal forumites or should I give my honest opinion and further risk stirring the hornet's nest and more people crying foul because I refuse to agree with them?
Well, the Conservative Government did give me the choice of having a referendum. Love him or loathe him, David Cameron did what Tony Blair and Nick Clegg promised to do but refused to do. This was democracy and allowed the people of the UK to have an important say about their country. The people spoke and Brexit was their choice. Had Labour got in, there would have been no Brexit vote at all, even though (as proven) 17m people were unhappy with the EU and wanted out.
Why will I be better off? Well, for one thing IMO I won't have to pay in to an unaccountable bureaucracy which appears to hate my country and which anyway is a dying political entity anyway. It is not just the UK who is unhappy with the EU - the Danes, Greeks and even the Dutch whom for so long were very pro EU are now having second thoughts about staying. At least with those running the UK, you can vote them out if they are useless - you cannot vote out the idiots in the EU who make the rules.
What will I be able to do in the future that I can't now - probably be allowed to have an opinion without jazz-handing, grievance mongering PC-idiots demanding I change my opinion because they can't handle somebody having a different opinion.
How will being outside the EU help with "grievance mongering PC idiots"?
125Forever
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Depends what history book you think I should be reading.
I have read many books on history - from The Roman Empire to the History of Homosexuality in Italy and Spain (two EU countries which still have a lot to do in order to get with the 'programme'). I own nearly 100 books on the subject - what book should I be looking at, oh wise one?
EM2
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So that's it? Thirty-one years on this planet, and all you can come up with is the Conservatives gave you a referendum? If that's all, why do you support them, and yet didn't vote for them?
You have heard of European elections?
No-one's stopping you having an opinion now. The same people that disagree with you now will disagree in the future.
125Forever
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Hopefully they'll learn that nobody gives a damn about their opinions anymore, and that crying, making threats and generally being an a-hole is going to get them nowhere in life.
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My vote is my own business, and no I don't have to justify it to anybody.
However, I do believe that at present the Tories are the best party to lead the UK. Labour and Liberals are in a mess, UKIP are nothing without Nigel, The Greens are attracting the hard-left (funny, because they were initially an Ecological movement with no extreme bias) so really it's a no-brainer. I have more 'faith' in May than Cameron and hopefully she will do a good job both with Brexit and as leader of the United Kingdom.
You have heard of European elections?
I believe so.
No-one's stopping you having an opinion now. The same people that disagree with you now will disagree in the future.
True, but I don't get offended when somebody disagrees with me and I don't get personal or try to call somebody a racist/retard/spastic etc. because they won't agree with me.
I've heard the arguments made by Remainers so many times, and in the end it just boils down to abuse. Remainers aren't really interested in what Leavers think, they are just angry that they lost and can't accept that things are changing. No empire lasts forever, and maybe it's time for a change.[/QUOTE]
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125Forever
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EM2
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And you still think that you can't vote out European lawmakers.
So what you say you'll be able to do, you can already do.
Those that voted Remain know what Leavers think, and vice versa.
Remain thinks Leave is a massive mistake, Leave think Remain is.
But we know what Remaining is like. We have no idea what Leaving will be like. And no-one that voted Leave can say how things *will* (not might, or hope)
improve.
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Well, I'll be one of the first to sign up to associate membership. Where do I send the cheque? Judging by other forums it's gaining momentum and those voting Leave would be perfectly entitled to retain their EU citizenship in the form of associate member should they so wish.
There's no reason why it can't happen - the UK can't stop it, it's not like having two passports and it will have no effect on the UK's border controls. Just helps us on the way out to fly past all the Brexiters in the queue!
We could also vote, online, for our very own Associate MEP.
Superb idea - however someone on here proposed something along these lines a long time ago. Wonder who..... ;-D
There's no reason why it can't happen - the UK can't stop it, it's not like having two passports and it will have no effect on the UK's border controls. Just helps us on the way out to fly past all the Brexiters in the queue!
We could also vote, online, for our very own Associate MEP.
Superb idea - however someone on here proposed something along these lines a long time ago. Wonder who..... ;-D
Johnuk123
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As you say crackpot idea from one bored MEP, won't happen, so all the remainers will have to go with their earlier idea of becoming a paddy.
Busaholic
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They'll be partly right - £350m per week will be REMOVED from the NHS budget, just what IDS and co planned all along.
Unless of course there's a fee. Our membership fee was about £1.70 a week. Given that we wouldn't actually be in the EU and thus won't have many of the benefits something like £1 per week per person seems fair. I'd certainly pay a £200/year membership fee for my family to have EU citizenship, I'm sure many of us would.
125Forever
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Remaining is voting for the status quo - 17m people were and are unhappy with that, so democracy says that they will get their wish.
It's their call now, good or bad we have to accept the future for what it will be - if they've made a mistake then we will know in time, but if it becomes the best thing that has happened to the UK I do hope that certain people say 'okay, we got it wrong with thinking it would be the worst thing ever.'
Embrace change - that's what you keep telling us horrible Leavers
It's their call now, good or bad we have to accept the future for what it will be - if they've made a mistake then we will know in time, but if it becomes the best thing that has happened to the UK I do hope that certain people say 'okay, we got it wrong with thinking it would be the worst thing ever.'
Embrace change - that's what you keep telling us horrible Leavers
TheKnightWho
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So you have no objection to it then, but just think it won't happen?
I believe the argument goes that thousands of IS soldiers have infiltrated europe with the million refugees (despite almost all the attackers in the last couple of years in mainland europe being EU citizens), and are now biding their time waiting for someone to give them an EU passport, when they can then jump on a plane to the UK to commit their dastardly deeds, and with an EU passport we'll be unable to stop them (where as if we're outside the EU we'll of course be able to stop someone with an EU passport).
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Citation needed. The mail on sunday reported 1.1 million had "buyers remorse". If you really think the majority want out there'd be no problem with a second referendum, right?
125Forever
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Touched a nerve?
Unfortunately, terrorism and the influx of economic migrants into the UK were reasons (significant or not) as to why Brexit happened.
Maybe the plebs were racist, or maybe they just didn't want another Rotherham 1400 incident in their town... nah they were definitely racist, for The Guardian said so.
I would as well.
125Forever
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Citation needed. The mail on sunday reported 1.1 million had "buyers remorse". If you really think the majority want out there'd be no problem with a second referendum, right?
Would be interesting to see how they came to that figure and who they interviewed. Won't dispute the number, but how many Remain voters regret not voting for Leave? Funny how those figures have not been published by way of comparison.
A Second Referendum won't happen anyway - it wouldn't have happened if Remain had won 52/48 and well you know that.
Would be interesting to see how they came to that figure and who they interviewed. Won't dispute the number, but how many Remain voters regret not voting for Leave? Funny how those figures have not been published by way of comparison.
A Second Referendum won't happen anyway - it wouldn't have happened if Remain had won 52/48 and well you know that.
That was not posted by me, is somebody playing silly buggers?
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125Forever
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Okay, so an open question to Remainers:
If you were offered the opportunity to live on the continent (France/Germany/Italy etc.) once Brexit takes place, would you sell up here and move?
I mean, if the UK is going to become a tiny and insignificant country now it's no longer in the EU, why bother staying? Surely as a protest (and maybe causing a bank run) you could sell up here, take your money out of the bank and go and live in the EU again.
If you were offered the opportunity to live on the continent (France/Germany/Italy etc.) once Brexit takes place, would you sell up here and move?
I mean, if the UK is going to become a tiny and insignificant country now it's no longer in the EU, why bother staying? Surely as a protest (and maybe causing a bank run) you could sell up here, take your money out of the bank and go and live in the EU again.
600,000 from memory.
Perhaps the Mail is secretly a remain paper?
It would have done, may have taken 5 years, may have taken 15. This is why leaving is so bad, had remain won, the choice would have been open again after 2020 (at the worst just get your 17 million to vote ukip in). It's like jumping off a cliff into a cloud. You have no idea what's at the bottom, but you can either wait and see if the cloud moves (remain), or you can jump (leave).
If the cloud doesn't move, and conditions on the top of the cliff are still bad, then you can jump in 10 minutes, the cliff will still be there.
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