≡*There wasn't a previous circled E, it was three horizontal lines with a * at the top right.
≡*There wasn't a previous circled E, it was three horizontal lines with a * at the top right.
Before that one. It's in a post earlier in this thread.There wasn't a previous circled E, it was three horizontal lines with a * at the top right.
Eurostar's current logo is the 'Swoosh' E forming a tunnel, it ditched the E* logo a while ago.There wasn't a previous circled E, it was three horizontal lines with a * at the top right.
Eurostar's current logo is the 'Swoosh' E forming a tunnel, it ditched the E* logo a while ago.
Before that one. It's in a post earlier in this thread.
I could understand how confusion might have arisen over the E forming a circle.Correct, but it's never had one that was a star in a circle.
Certainly the logo we remember was used on the inaugural trains: https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-50418077Which post, please? So far as I recall (and I used it very early on) it was the three lines with a superscript star from opening.
Since when? Thalys trains are supposed to be keeping their ruby red livery to differentiate their former services from what Eurostar currently operate. New future rolling stock orders might see a more uniform livery, but for now I haven't heard of any changes of the sort.
They may well debrand the e320s that go onto the continent, unless they intend to work triangular diagrams. SNCF did when they took some of the e300s in the 2000s.If the merged operation is going to use "blue" E320s on old Thalys services, it rather blurs the brand boundary.
It would be more flexible to not debrand andy e320s, and allow for triangular diagrams if that ends up being desirable.They may well debrand the e320s that go onto the continent, unless they intend to work triangular diagrams. SNCF did when they took some of the e300s in the 2000s.
Surely the merger will have little to no bearing on the use of HOTNAT?It's a pity they don't give as much attention to the REALITY of the merger on the ground as they seem to be giving to the branding. We had a nightmare experience at Brussels Midi in December when Thalys staff refused point blank to let us on their train to Aachen after our delayed Eurostar from London caused us to miss our ICE connection. They dismissed all appeals to the merger (not to mention Railteam/HOTNAT).
Only that you won't be relying on the railteam guarantee because presumably they'll sell through Eurostar and exThalys tickets, so one company so clearly their responsibility.Surely the merger will have little to no bearing on the use of HOTNAT?
Post 142. I may be confused on order.Which post, please? So far as I recall (and I used it very early on) it was the three lines with a superscript star from opening.
I wouldn't be so sure that it will make the blindest bit of difference.Only that you won't be relying on the railteam guarantee because presumably they'll sell through Eurostar and exThalys tickets, so one company so clearly their responsibility.
Eurostar have only used 2 (now 3 logos). The 3 stripes and Star was the one they started with and then the logo linked in post #142 is the one still in use for the Eurostar sub-brand, which is the 'Swoosh' or Stylised E forming a tunnel. The description of it as a Circled E may be confusing @Bletchleyite slightly.Post 142. I may be confused on order.
Eurostar Group have said they intend to offer integrated/through tickets and Eurostar are currently quite good about honouring missed reservations so it may become easier to book through travel between the two services.I wouldn't be so sure that it will make the blindest bit of difference.
I admire your optimism. No, this would be like a joint Chelsea-Manchester United side entering the Champions League.Perhaps new rolling stock will be a joint venture between Siemens and Alstom
That would look quite horrid, tbh. Although it is the colours of the city of Paris, the only city from which you can reach all of Eurostar group's destinations.with the livery a combination of the current Thalys and Eurostar colours?
Brussels connects to all Eurostar groups destinations, Paris doesn't (because of CDG/Marne-La-Vallee trains from Brussels and, for now, London)I admire your optimism. No, this would be like a joint Chelsea-Manchester United side entering the Champions League.
That would look quite horrid, tbh. Although it is the colours of the city of Paris, the only city from which you can reach all of Eurostar group's destinations.
I admire your optimism. No, this would be like a joint Chelsea-Manchester United side entering the Champions League.
Surely they will have to scrap the last 8 E300’s soon as they head towards a 5th Amsterdam service by 2024? Also Disneyland withdrawn this surely paves way for 8 new trains? And isn’t Thalys already getting some new trains soon too?Perhaps new rolling stock will be a joint venture between Siemens and Alstom with the livery a combination of the current Thalys and Eurostar colours?
why would they scrap the remaining e300s? They were refurbished not that long ago?Surely they will have to scrap the last 8 E300’s soon as they head towards a 5th Amsterdam service by 2024? Also Disneyland withdrawn this surely paves way for 8 new trains? And isn’t Thalys already getting some new trains soon too?
Some of the Avanti services are being refurbished yet being replaced by new trains soon. Maybe not scrap but they could move them onto the Thalys routes. I believe long term Eurostar want to skip Brussels on the Amsterdam route. That takes newer rolling stock off other routes so I do believe they need to replace the last 8 trains.why would they scrap the remaining e300s? They were refurbished not that long ago?
They can't be used on Amsterdam services, true, but there's enough Paris and Brussels services to use them on
Really? That's interesting from a market share perspective.Some of the Avanti services are being refurbished yet being replaced by new trains soon. Maybe not scrap but they could move them onto the Thalys routes. I believe long term Eurostar want to skip Brussels on the Amsterdam route. That takes newer rolling stock off other routes so I do believe they need to replace the last 8 trains.
Really? That's interesting from a market share perspective.
Re the e300s - Aren't they basically just TGV Reseau sets, which is also what the Thalys PBA sets are, so unifying those fleets would make sense.
Yes I read the article last year. By skipping Brussels they can sell speed things up make it more airline. I read 3 hours 30 to Amsterdam.Really? That's interesting from a market share perspective.
Re the e300s - Aren't they basically just TGV Reseau sets, which is also what the Thalys PBA sets are, so unifying those fleets would make sense.
Yes I read the article last year. By skipping Brussels they can sell speed things up make it more airline. I read 3 hours 30 to Amsterdam.
They're 400m UK gauge TGV Reseau sets, basically, yes. Not the same but very similar.
Why is the NS logo controversial? It is basically a combination of a flipped N and an S.The 1960s NS logo is still controversial in some quarters. Bring back the wheel on wings! And the SBB/CFF logo is only from the 1980s.