Exiting a Train via the Door Window

[class17]

Just seen something different at York. A teanage couple exiting a Grand Central train via the door window.Doors had been locked and they had been trying the handle. Bags out, head first out the window and roll over. Impressive acrobatics by the lad, the girl struggled, I think he helped her out.

I presume they got on this first stop London GC train instead of the next virgin EC train

 

[highspeed990]

If the train door was broken and I had to get off, I would have done the same.

 

[Pseudonym]

Don't try at home!

 

[dk1]

We get numptys doing this on the GEML from time to time. Not much you can do about it if no BTP nearby. Train usually stopped by pass-com activation by Snr Conductor.

 

[highspeed990]

I'm semi serious. I wouldn't take the risk of the train departing!

 

[yorkie]

If the train door was broken and I had to get off, I would have done the same.

Extremely unwise. Is this a serious post? Do not attempt this!

I would urge you to reconsider; there should be time to try another door, in the worst case scenario you would pull the alarm.

 

[Cowley]

Sometimes it's the coolest option.
(Only joking Yorkie, it's clearly not the cleverest of ideas).

 

[highspeed990]

Extremely unwise. Is this a serious post? Do not attempt this!

I would urge you to reconsider; there should be time to try another door, in the worst case scenario you would pull the alarm.

Probably staff would sort it out, but if I really needed to get somewhere and couldn't take the risk, I might.

 

[yorkie]

Or, if you pulled the alarm instead, you would not have the "risk" of being over-carried, nor the risk of serious injury!

Are you going to re-consider?

 

[highspeed990]

Or, if you pulled the alarm instead, you would not have the "risk" of being over-carried, nor the risk of serious injury!

Are you going to re-consider?

You have a point. Though you're talking as though I'm planning this in advance haha

 

[Cowley]

You have a point. Though you're talking as though I'm planning this in advance haha

You do seem to have a plan B 'exit strategy' planned after reading this thread hs990.

 

[highspeed990]

You do seem to have a plan B 'exit strategy' planned after reading this thread hs990.

indeed haha, but you're more likely to have an issue with a plug door than a slam door.

 

[Y Ddraig Coch]

Or, if you pulled the alarm instead, you would not have the "risk" of being over-carried, nor the risk of serious injury!

Are you going to re-consider?

Is pulling the alarm, due to getting on wrong train, missing a stop etc a legitimate reason?

What would get you in most trouble? Pulling the alarm (which warns about penalty for misuse) or getting off by any mean possible (for which there isn't any warning and you can argue your case)

 

[highspeed990]

Is pulling the alarm, due to getting on wrong train, missing a stop etc a legitimate reason?

What would get you in most trouble? Pulling the alarm (which warns about penalty for misuse) or getting off by any mean possible (for which there isn't any warning and you can argue your case)

I was going to say this, you'll probably be fined.

 

[Cowley]

Is pulling the alarm, due to getting on wrong train, missing a stop etc a legitimate reason?

What would get you in most trouble? Pulling the alarm (which warns about penalty for misuse) or getting off by any mean possible (for which there isn't any warning and you can argue your case)

It does say 'Do not lean out of the window' or something similar doesn't it? That would definitely cover it.

 

[Y Ddraig Coch]

It does say 'Do not lean out of the window' or something similar doesn't it? That would definitely cover it.

While the train is moving, is not the post?

 

[Cowley]

While the train is moving, is not the post?

Blimey. And all this time I've been using the doors.

 

[Y Ddraig Coch]

Blimey. And all this time I've been using the doors.

You haven't lived!!

 

[johntea]

I wouldn't consider it misuse in that situation, if you suddenly find out you're about to set off straight to London - without a valid ticket, and then you're basically stranded at the other end...

Actually that is interesting, does a TOC have a duty of care should you catch one of these 'first stop hundreds of miles away' services accidentally and end up arriving there so late that there is no means back by rail until the next morning?

 

[yorkie]

Is pulling the alarm, due to getting on wrong train, missing a stop etc a legitimate reason?

I'd say not in general, no, but it may depend on circumstances. And you are not going to be fined for a genuine case.

What would get you in most trouble? Pulling the alarm (which warns about penalty for misuse) or getting off by any mean possible (for which there isn't any warning and you can argue your case)

Getting out through the window is extremely dangerous.

 

[Y Ddraig Coch]

I'd say not in general, no, but it may depend on circumstances. And you are not going to be fined for a genuine case.

Getting out through the window is extremely dangerous.

No argument about it, agreed , but no stickered warning for it threatening penalty. "theoretically" climbing out is fine.

 

[BestWestern]

Actually that is interesting, does a TOC have a duty of care should you catch one of these 'first stop hundreds of miles away' services accidentally and end up arriving there so late that there is no means back by rail until the next morning?

No. Unless the service was incorrectly advertised or the passenger misadvised. Otherwise entirely your problem.

 

[skyhigh]

Getting out through the window is extremely dangerous.

Indeed. For those wondering, it is covered at least by Byelaw 10(4) - "No person shall enter or leave a train except by proper use of a train door."

If someone did it in front of me, I'd be extremely unimpressed (unless they had a very good reason).

No argument about it, agreed , but no stickered warning for it threatening penalty. "theoretically" climbing out is fine.

^ Is incorrect in my opinion. When you travel, you agree to abide by the National Rail Conditions of Travel. These state "When you are present in or using stations, train services and other facilities on the National Rail Network, you are also subject to the Railway Byelaws." Not knowing the byelaws isn't a defence.

(NB note that the byelaws apply whether or not you have a ticket).

 

[Y Ddraig Coch]

Indeed. For those wondering, it is covered at least by Byelaw 10(4) - "No person shall enter or leave a train except by proper use of a train door."

If someone did it in front of me, I'd be extremely unimpressed (unless they had a very good reason).

Where is the rule stating "proper" use of a door? Dukes of hazard showed me through the window is the way ....... Your honour..

 

[skyhigh]

Where is the rule stating "proper" use of a door? Dukes of hazard showed me through the window is the way ....... Your honour..

Fair point - I'd say it comes down to reasonable interpretation. Clearly you are not meant to go out the window, otherwise trains wouldn't bother with doors and instead make do with a window... I honestly can't remember, but if there's a notice along the lines of "Lower window for ventilation" or "Lower window to use handle", that would also influence what's reasonable.

 

[bb21]

Where is the rule stating "proper" use of a door? Dukes of hazard showed me through the window is the way ....... Your honour..

No sane person will deem dragging oneself through a train window as "proper" use.

 

[Y Ddraig Coch]

Fair point - I'd say it comes down to reasonable interpretation. Clearly you are not meant to go out the window, otherwise trains wouldn't bother with doors and instead make do with a window... I honestly can't remember, but if there's a notice along the lines of "Lower window for ventilation" or "Lower window to use handle", that would also influence what's reasonable.

If you wanted to use the handle......

 

[Y Ddraig Coch]

No sane person will deem dragging oneself through a train window as "proper" use.

Going from Bristol to London and back more than once without alighting is normal though? Pages of uproar about his treatment for doing things "differently" to the norm!

 

[bb21]

Going from Bristol to London and back more than once without alighting is normal though? Pages of uproar about his treatment for doing things "differently" to the norm!

You've lost me.

 

[Busaholic]

E Pericoloso Sporghersi, as the Italians certainly used to say if the signs under the windows in all their carriages were to be believed. It was the first Italian I ever learned while on a school trip by train to Rome, and it's stayed with me, along with only one or two others. It's dangerous to stick your bonce out of the window would be a rough and ready translation; I'm not sure the Italians would countenance any other part of the body.