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First Great Western Weekend First Class Upgrade- Thames Branchline rover

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I am looking to do a Thames branch line rover and was wandering if I paid the 5 pound first class upgrade on one of the trains would it let me go first class for the rest of the day or just that particular train? It would be on a Saturday.
 
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I'm not aware of any First Class Weekend Upgrade which allows travel on any but the train it was purchased on.

Possibly apart from the Gold Card one, which used to be applicable for the day (if you could get a guard who knew that!) , though with the changes to Gold Card benefits I am not sure that still exists.
 

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I'm not aware of any First Class Weekend Upgrade which allows travel on any but the train it was purchased on.
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I disagree, most Weekend First upgrades are for your journey with that particular operator (irrespective of whether or not there is a change of trains).

In addition, there may be through Weekend First upgrades available for a combination of operators but these are becoming less common now (I recall Barry Doe writing about this, but it was a while ago now and I can't remember the details, which have probably changed again since).

However it is difficult to argue that your journey is from, say, Paddington to Paddington via all Thames branches ;) I am aware of a dispute involving a forum member and, if I recall correctly, FGW on this particular issue. I do not know if that member would like to post about it, but I've sent him a PM in case he does.
 

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From the FGW website:
If you need to change onto another First Great Western train as part of your journey, you’ll only have to pay one upgrade fee.

I don't know how how they run the weekend first scheme to make this happen, whether they give you a ticket or what., but I see that potentially it might be valid all day?
 

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I've often used FGW's weekend 1st. When the guard comes round you show them your ticket(s) and pay them the fee and they issue you with a Weekend 1st ticket from their Avantix machine. Should your journey require a change you simply present the Weekend 1st to the guard on the next train when they come through.

I've never had a problem only paying one upgrade fee when using a combination of tickets either.
 

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That's interesting to know if one payment of £5 will give you FC travel for the validity of the rover.
 

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I am looking to do a Thames branch line rover and was wandering if I paid the 5 pound first class upgrade on one of the trains would it let me go first class for the rest of the day or just that particular train? It would be on a Saturday.

I'm the poster to which Yorkie correctly recalls as having a dispute with FGW over this, back in August 2012 (Can't believe it's been that long Yorkie)

Myself and four friends had set out on a day trip round Cornwall armed each with a Ride Cornwall Day Ranger.

As it was the height of summer, and in noticing that FGWs webpage said "Journey within one zone will be £5, two zones £10, three zones £15, four and five zones £20." in relation to first class upgrades, we all decided it was worth £5 to get first class access on all the trains on which we'd be travelling.

We boarded the 10:05 St Erth to Par service and sat in First Class, the Train Manager came round shortly after departure, and I explained what we intended to do, and asked whether the first class upgrade would be suitable, she advised me it was perfectly fine and she was happy to sell the tickets from Penzance to Liskeard as those where the extreme edges of the zone.

At Par we changed onto a HST towards Newquay, all was fine and a pleasant quiet trip ensued.

We briefly left the train at Newquay to stretch our legs but re-boarded to head back to Par. Now the Train Manager came round on departure, checked all our tickets (again he'd already done it heading to Par) and headed on his way. a short time had passed and he asked to see our tickets again, I showed him mine and he said I needed to pay again for the upgrade. I explained what I'd be told by the TM on the earlier service, to be told she was wrong.

The discussion went back and forth, and I remained insistent that my journey was Par - Par via several places (I'll come back to this later). In the end three of my friends bought new upgrades, myself and the other had our names and addresses written on the back of an envelope and he headed off after telling us we'd be put off the train at Par.

On the other HST services we used that day after this, not one Train Manager had a problem with what we where doing, and all seemed to think it was within the rules. The booking office at Par also said we where valid as long as we didn't pass Liskeard.

I sent an email to First Great Western shortly after the event, explaining in detail what had happened. The response was that I didn't have a valid ticket for first class as I couldn't possibly be doing a journey Par to Par as I'd explained.

I sent an email back containing scanned copies of the seat reservations I held in standard class for each of the trains I traveled on where it was possible to make a reservation.

A long time passed before I received an email advising me in light of the evidence of my intended journey they felt given the wording on the website at the time that I had indeed traveled within the rules. Though advised me that would be changed.

Two years on the website wording has changed, and therefore I wouldn't advise even with reservations that you attempt this.

On a side note my friend made a Subject Access Request to FGW asking for any personal information they held on him, it came back with no information, we wonder to this day what happened to the envelope with our details on. FGW denied that any member of staff would take details in this manner.

I'm not aware of any First Class Weekend Upgrade which allows travel on any but the train it was purchased on.

Possibly apart from the Gold Card one, which used to be applicable for the day (if you could get a guard who knew that!) , though with the changes to Gold Card benefits I am not sure that still exists.

I'm aware of several, I believe your assumption that it is only valid on the train which it is purchased is incorrect.

Virgin, TPE, and FGW allow you to use one upgrade if you need to change trains on your journey. And I have done so on all three operators.
 
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From the FGW website:

If you need to change onto another First Great Western train as part of your journey, you’ll only have to pay one upgrade fee.


I don't know how how they run the weekend first scheme to make this happen, whether they give you a ticket or what., but I see that potentially it might be valid all day?

It says "another First Great Western Train" (singular) not "other First Great Western Trains" (plural), its only a small point but we know how much faith some people put into using the exact wording to their advantage, well surely it goes both ways! ;)
 

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It says "another First Great Western Train" (singular) not "other First Great Western Trains" (plural), its only a small point but we know how much faith some people put into using the exact wording to their advantage, well surely it goes both ways! ;)

Though I agree with the point you are making, and that is literally interpret what is written by FGW.

Hypothetically I want to travel from Cardiff Central to Marlow, do I then need two separate weekend first upgrades as I'll need to use three separate FGW trains to make the one journey, even though I hold a through ticket?
 

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Virgin allow break of journey on weekend first too. I used one on a West Midlands Day Ranger Warrington-Coventry (with a WBQ-CRE SDR)
Bailed at:
Wolverhampton
Birmingham New Street
Coventry.

Accepted by TMs on all three trains and in FC lounges at all three stations!
 

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When selling an upgrade on-board, we need to put in an origin and destination station. The ticket covers from A to B, once the journey is on FGW only (eg Cardiff - Oxford would cover an FGW train, but not 1st Class on a XC from Reading to Oxford). I personally would not accept a 1st class upgrade with a rover unless it was part of a single journey, so, for example if somebody getting on at Reading going to London presented me with an Oxford-Paddington 1st upgrade I'd happily accept it, if they gave me a Pad-Oxford upgrade, I'd charge them or move them out, regardless of how they tried to twist it.

Regarding using a Weekend First upgrade in the 1st Class lounge, I don't think it opens on a Saturday, and you can't buy it before the train departs as they are for sale on-board only.
 
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would I be aloud in the first class lounge at Paddington with an first class upgrade ticket from reading to London?
you would be allowed (but don't be too loud ;) You can always hear a pin drop in there! :lol:)
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Regarding using a Weekend First upgrade in the 1st Class lounge, I don't think it opens on a Saturday, and you can't buy it before the train departs as they are for sale on-board only.
According to the FGW site, it's open 0600-2100 on Saturdays, and he'd be OK with a Reading to London upgrade (but as you say, it wouldn't work the other way round).
 

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Ok, that must be new! I'll look when I'm there next on a Saturday.

Does the ticket allow entry after the journey has ended? I really don't know.
 

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Flamingo:2052781 said:
Ok, that must be new! I'll look when I'm there next on a Saturday.

Does the ticket allow entry after the journey has ended? I really don't know.
Can't comment on FGW, but I've used VT weekend upgrades in FC lounges when I've completed my journey with VT.
 

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VT explicitly permit this. I don't recall seeing anything explicit from FGW in this regard.

However in my experience staff at Paddington do not have a problem with it.
 

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I'm sure I've read an ad for 1st class from another TOC that gave as a selling point the fact that you could wait in the lounge if you arrive early - I can't remember which TOC though
 

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If I went from Greenford to Reading via Paddington would I be able to pay for an upgrade once to go on both trains? or would I have to buy seperate upgrades for the 2 seperate trains?
 

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That's one journey, so one upgrade. You may find that there are more people in first than standard on the Greenford train
 

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Ok, that must be new! I'll look when I'm there next on a Saturday.

Does the ticket allow entry after the journey has ended? I really don't know.

Why wouldn't it? You have paid for a 1st class journey and therefore should be allowed access in my view.
 

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I've never had the cheek to do that on a Birmingham New Street to Birmingham International Virgin Only First Class single! Next time I do it I'll be using the lounge at both ends, same if I happen to reach Paddington on a First Class ticket.

I do wonder if I could use the Virgin First Class lounge at Euston after arriving on a London Midland First Class Advance, or waiting to leave on one...
 

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I do wonder if I could use the Virgin First Class lounge at Euston after arriving on a London Midland First Class Advance, or waiting to leave on one...

http://www.virgintrains.co.uk/routes-stations/first-class-lounges/ says:

http://www.virgintrains.co.uk/routes-stations/first-class-lounges/ said:
To enter the First Class lounge, just show your valid Virgin Trains ticket - either Virgin Business, First Anytime or Advance First ticket.

which seems to imply that you can't.

Some lounges are TOC-specific while others aren't; it seems that Virgin ones fall into the first category.
 

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Some lounges are TOC-specific while others aren't; it seems that Virgin ones fall into the first category.

Not all Virgin lounges are restricted to Virgin passengers. Crewe for example is a notable exception, being part funded by the local council iirc.

What about a 1st class All Line Rover?

Permitted at all First Class lounges.
 

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Which lounges are not TOC specific?
As far as I can tell by looking on the relavent Toc websites, it is only Virgin, Greater Anglia (not particularly relavent as no other First class operating Tocs serve Liv St/Ipswich) and Scotrail that insist walk-up or Season tickets must be valid for travel on their services. East Coast Trains say that walk-up tickets must be valid for travel on the "East Coast route," (whatever that means) and the Great Western and East Midlands websites do not mention any restrictions for Advance tickets.
 

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Who is going to be the first to try a 1st class ticket to somewhere like Potters Bar at King's Cross? My prediction is that their 'bouncers' won't apply the policy as written on the site, and the site gets amended rather promptly! Not recommended for a hassle-free relaxing experience!
What about a 1st class All Line Rover?
There's no Train Company-specific ALR (:lol:), so you're OK ;)
 
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