VTPreston_Tez
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What was this service exactly. FNW never had any really fast stock so I'd have to presume they either did it the LM way and just let it take longer than VT or was this service a stopper?
Just to check, who's NWT?
What were the stops on the line also? In an Airport case I suspect via Wilmslow and Crewe
Okay right. You didn't get anything on Blackpool though, I'd like to see calling points for that which for some reason go non-stop through Preston!
Blackpool North > Poulton le Fylde > Kirkham and Wesham > Leyland > Euxton Balshaw Lane > Warrington Bank Quay (to join with the Rochdale portion) > Tamworth Low Level > Watford Junction > London Euston.
Three words: Oh ****ing dear.
I'm not surprised at the demise of such a franchise if it didn't serve Preston or Wigan, or allow passengers to use Warrington!
Were there any other services like this, and how did they fall?
I could believe that they were but a lack of calls at Preston and Wigan (and why not throw in a commuter stop at Salwick?) along with other major stations is absurd. Otherwise I get the drift fully.
They (NWT and FNW) were two separate TOCs, the franchises were merged when Northern took over in December 2004...
Three words: Oh ****ing dear.
I'm not surprised at the demise of such a franchise if it didn't serve Preston or Wigan, or allow passengers to use Warrington!
Were there any other services like this, and how did they fall?
I could believe that they were but a lack of calls at Preston and Wigan (and why not throw in a commuter stop at Salwick?) along with other major stations is absurd. Otherwise I get the drift fully.
They weren't allowed to call at major stations. As for a Salwick stop, you are just typing random station names again.
Might want to read that again... NWT became FNW when First bought it circa 1999. It was ATN that merged with FNW in 2004.
Manchester Airport 06:19 10:19 14:19 18:19
Alderley Edge 06:36 10:28 14:28 18:28
Sandbach 06:47 10:39 14:39 18:39
Tamworth Low Level 07:40 11:27 15:26 19:24
Watford Junction 09:21 12:52 16:52 20:36
London Euston 09:42 13:17 17:13 21:00
London Euston 11:25 14:40 19:25 21:55
Watford Junction 11:42 15:02 19:43 22:12
Tamworth Low Level 13:02 16:33 21:05 23:25
Sandbach 13:51 17:35 21:56 00:21
Alderley Edge 14:02 17:46 22:07 00:32
Manchester Airport 14:12 17:58 22:19 00:57
Blackpool North 06:27
Poulton-le-Fylde 06:33
Kirkham and Wesham 06:41
Leyland 07:05
Euxton Balshaw Lane 07:10
Rochdale 06:43
Manchester Victoria 07:00
Newton-le-Willows 07:20
Tamworth Low Level 08:45 08:45
Watford Junction 10:05 10:05
London Euston 10:32 10:32
London Euston 20:10 20:10
Watford Junction 20:28 20:28
Tamworth Low Level 21:42 21:42
Newton-le-Willows 23:00
Manchester Victoria 23:26
Rochdale 23:55
Euxton Balshaw Lane 23:06
Leyland 23:11
Kirkham and Wesham 23:28
Poulton-le-Fylde 23:36
Blackpool North 23:45
It's not clear where they join; the Blackpool portion doesn't seem to be advertised at Newton-le-Willows (where LNW-GW Joint said they joined). Of course, since not all the timing points were in Table 65 I may have missed others, but I can't see any calls at the likes of Rugeley, Atherstone, or Hartford.
They were two separate TOCs, the franchises were merged when Northern took over in December 2004...
They used 158s on Bolton_Euston, was it, and 322s on Manchester Apt-Euston. I was never sure exactly why.
However, a "black hole" appeared in the books and they gave up the whole idea.
(I think Alderley Edge, Sandbach, Hartford etc)
You will have noticed in the Rail Review documents that DfT is still implacably opposed to OA into Euston (as it reduces the value of the WC franchise).
They didn't run Bolton-London services.
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