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First Scotland East (Midland Bluebird and West Lothian operations)

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Services 20, 63 & 68 | West of Edinburgh Update | From 12th September

https://www.firstbus.co.uk/south-ea...ates/updates/services-20-63-68-west-edinburgh
As I said last week, no other operator could facilitate the services with the current driver issues so this was the compromise.

As stated this will have a knock on effect on West Lothian services with approx 12/15 drivers less required on City routes and with Bright Bus Tours (BBT) coming to the end of season and requiring less staff that should enable Livingston to operate far more services on its West Lothian network.
 
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As i said last week,no other operator could facilitate the services with the current driver issues so this was the compromise.

As stated this will have a knock on effect on West Lothian services with approx 12/15 drivers less required on City routes and with BBT coming to the end of season and requiring less staff that should enable Livingston to operate fart more services on its West Lothian network.
I’ve been in West Lothian today and I have noticed First bus have become more reliable recently and Lothian Country are either not turning up or running very late.
 

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The planning of the cancellations definitely has been awful at times. 4 in a row missing on different buses is normal in West Lothian with how bad it has been. There has been a couple of days with 5/6 21s missing and they're hourly too.

They might genuinely need to just be realistic and cut services to a level they can run but I dread to imagine what that looks like at the moment.

If they can shift the 20, 63 and 68 as soon as possible it may help a bit but I don't know at this point.
There are no plans to cut services, they will see it out and after September 12th and reduction on 20,63 and should go a long way to addressing staffing levels on West Lothian services
 

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There are no plans to cut services, they will see it out and after September 12th and reduction on 20,63 and should go a long way to addressing staffing levels on West Lothian services
No plans as of yet but remember that government funding being cut could cause cuts very easily as we've seen elsewhere already.
 

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No plans as of yet but remember that government funding being cut could cause cuts very easily as we've seen elsewhere already.
Oh without doubt that will have an effect on most operators network and Jeanette Bell has already begun planning for post subsidy life within first group and no doubt First Scotland East will see many changes going forward.

I’ve been in West Lothian today and I have noticed First bus have become more reliable recently and Lothian Country are either not turning up or running very late.
The main issues now are late shifts and weekends ,not surprising with the work life balance demands of new starts and amount of agency drivers coming into the industry.
 

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Oh without doubt that will have an effect on most operators network and Jeanette Bell has already begun planning for post subsidy life within first group and no doubt First Scotland East will see many changes going forward.
The advantage I guess with West Lothian is that there are enough towns with sizeable populations to keep growth possible as some point.
 

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Rumour has it that McGills have purchased First Scotland East and will take over from 19th of September.
 
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Rumour has it that McGills have purchased First Scotland East and will take over from 19th of September.
Ah, the rumours I've heard the last few days may be true then.

I had heard that it was just Balfron, Bannockburn and Larbert that had been purchased (i.e. Midland), with Livingston staying with First.
 
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Also have been hearing about this for the past week or so but was waiting for an offical announcement before mentioning it. Certainly will be interesting to see if and how McGills can turn around Midland.
 

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Ah, the rumours I've heard the last few days are true then.

I had heard that it was just Balfron, Bannockburn and Larbert that had been purchased (i.e. Midland), with Livingston staying with First.
Let’s hope McGills succeed where First didn’t. I presume the majority of FSE fleet will either go to scrap and the more modern stock will be cascaded out. I don’t imagine McGills would want to keep them?
 

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Could we have a source for this information, please, as well as a suitable quote? Thanks
 

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Not sure how this take over will effect depots especially LIvingston which is quite out of McGills current operating areas.

Bright Bus Tours is another area you struggle to see carrying on

Interesting times ahead for sure and you wonder how Edinburgh City Council will feel now regards 20, 63 and 68 contracts.
 

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Let's see an official Source.

If people remember back to that official report (it was posted in one of the threads) about allowing First out of the controls linked to Scotrail etc, Mcgills did say they would buy the company.
 
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Not sure how this take over will effect depots especially LIvingston which is quite out of McGills current operating areas.

Bright Bus Tours is another area you struggle to see carrying on

Interesting times ahead for sure and you wonder how Edinburgh City Council will feel now regards 20, 63 and 68 contracts.
It's only Midland Bluebird Ltd that is said to be getting sold so West Lothian and Bright Bus Tours would be unaffected in the short term.
 

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Let see an official Source.

If people remember back to the that official report ( it was postage in one of the threads) about allowing "First" out of the controls linked to Scotrail etc Mcgills did say they would buy the company..

Exactly what I was thinking...
 

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Let's see an official Source.

If people remember back to that official report (it was posted in one of the threads) about allowing First out of the controls linked to Scotrail etc, Mcgills did say they would buy the company.
Which report are you referring to? Your post is a bit vague!
 

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I had to check that the date wasn't April 1st. No doubt the "source" will be the pet dog of one of the drivers, or whoever.
Are you doubting this is happening? As I can assure you as of Monday 19th September the whole operation transfers to McGills.

It won’t make a height nor hair of a difference.

Exactly what do you think McGills can offer that First can’t?
Reliability, punctuality, and passenger confidence, all of which were gone under First, especially in West Lothian.
 
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I'll wait until I see a single piece of evidence proving so. I would be very surprised if McGill's bought Midland to say the least. Also 19th September seems much too close for a whole network transfer without an inkling of evidence...
 

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Reliability,punctuality,Passenger confidence all of which were gone under First especially in West Lothian
I guess you haven't seen the state of the McGill's Xplore Dundee network.

I'll wait until I see a single piece of evidence proving so. I would be very surprised if McGill's bought Midland to say the least. Also 19th September seems much too close for a whole network transfer without an inkling of evidence...
The takeover of Xplore Dundee was announced on December 22nd 2020, taking effect January 1st 2021, so not too unusual.
 

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I'll wait until I see a single piece of evidence proving so. I would be very surprised if McGill's bought Midland to say the least. Also 19th September seems much too close for a whole network transfer without an inkling of evidence...
Without giving to much away All First Scotland East Employees have been notified of the transfer.

I guess you haven't seen the state of the McGill's Xplore Dundee network.


The takeover of Xplore Dundee was announced on December 22nd 2020, taking effect January 1st 2021, so not too unusual.
No I havent .
 

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From the Official McGills Enthusiast Group on Facebook.
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We have some very exciting news to share.

The McGill's Team is expanding yet again with the First Scotland East businesses now joining the McGill's Bus Group.

The two businesses will be named McGill's Midland Bluebird and McGill's Eastern Scottish but will collectively operate as McGill's Scotland East.

Lots more details to follow so watch this space.
 

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A press release from Duncan Cameron MD was sent out to drivers via the First Connect app regarding the sale but has seen been deleted. It confirms that it's all of First Scotland East being sold rather than just Midland Bluebird as had been rumoured.
 

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I guess you haven't seen the state of the McGill's Xplore Dundee network.


The takeover of Xplore Dundee was announced on December 22nd 2020, taking effect January 1st 2021, so not too unusual.
To be honest as an Inverclodian myself McGill's seems give us all the nearly new buses so I'm not complaining! Customer service is stellar as well so I honestly can't fault them.

Other than that one 532 that's always late!
 

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From the Official McGills Enthusiast Group on Facebook.
View attachment 120400

We have some very exciting news to share.

The McGill's Team is expanding yet again with the First Scotland East businesses now joining the McGill's Bus Group.

The two businesses will be named McGill's Midland Bluebird and McGill's Eastern Scottish but will collectively operate as McGill's Scotland East.

Lots more details to follow so watch this space.
I stand corrected!
 
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