Future of the Class 89

[Dood75]

60046 providing the power...currently at Barrow Hill itself

 

[jaketaylor]

be good to see if it brings anything with it, is there any locos at barrow hill for dcr? (Other than the 60!)

 

[The_Train]

There seems to be some whisperings about at the moment regarding the 89 being moved to Toton tomorrow.

This is the supposed working 0958 Barrow Hill Loco Shed to Toton TMD

Not sure where it has come from or if there is any truth in it. Anyone heard anything regarding this?

 

[clagmonster]

Not heard anything. If it is the 89 I would have though the most likely reason would be a visit to the paint shop there.

 

[Roast Veg]

Latest news (31/03) from the AC Locomotive Group started that the loco was indeed awaiting repaint and testing.

 

[The_Train]

Not heard anything. If it is the 89 I would have though the most likely reason would be a visit to the paint shop there.

Well it's looking more likely that it is going to be moved. Apparently 60046 is hauling it under headcode 0Z89.......

My first instinct was that it would be going to the paint shop but isn't there some sort of load testing facility at Toton? Would the 89 need to be put through that?

 

[pdeaves]

Paint and test, according to discussion here: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/89001.203911/

 

[captainbigun]

You load bank diesel engines/gen/alternator. AC locos just require 25kV. Toton for paint.

 

[The_Train]

You load bank diesel engines/gen/alternator. AC locos just require 25kV. Toton for paint.

Thanks for that. I've heard the term load bank testing (mainly with the 60s coming back into service) but wasn't sure whether it was for all locos or just diesels

 

[The_Train]

Paint and test, according to discussion here: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/89001.203911/

And there is me being a good boy and searching out a current thread to use

Anyway, it looks to be on the move so I will do my bit for the country and watch it pass a camera on YouTube - I wonder how many are currently taking their daily exercise somewhere between Chesterfield and Toton

 

[TWTrains]

There seems to be some whisperings about at the moment regarding the 89 being moved to Toton tomorrow.

This is the supposed working 0958 Barrow Hill Loco Shed to Toton TMD

Not sure where it has come from or if there is any truth in it. Anyone heard anything regarding this?

It is the Badger, seen on a Railcam post on Facebook:

 

[alexl92]

There was a photo of 89001 on twitter the other day (wouldn't be able to find it now) that showed it apparently in some kind of undercoat or something - but it looked in excellent condition.

 

[The_Train]

It is the Badger, seen on a Railcam post on Facebook:
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Thanks mate, I managed to get on the free chesterfield cam on youtube to see it pass. Can't wait to see it back running under it's own power

 

[pdeaves]

There was a photo of 89001 on twitter the other day (wouldn't be able to find it now) that showed it apparently in some kind of undercoat or something - but it looked in excellent condition.

Picture on this thread: https://www.railforums.co.uk/threads/future-of-the-class-89.147934/page-4 (and probably a better place for discussion)

 

[D365]

Great to see that's it's rail-worthy again, even if it's only being dragged.

 

[Helvellyn]

If only we had had a fleet of those instead of the Skodas.

 

[hexagon789]

If only we had had a fleet of those instead of the Skodas.

If things had turned out differently we might have.

 

[Royston Vasey]

It's not going for Network Rail stickers is it?! Reminds me of the two yellow load bank testing 86s that seemed to live in York station for a few years.

 

[hexagon789]

It's not going for Network Rail stickers is it?! Reminds me of the two yellow load bank testing 86s that seemed to live in York station for a few years.

Is it an undercoat perhaps?

 

[D365]

If only we had had a fleet of those instead of the Skodas.

Why do you say that?

 

[Peter Mugridge]

If things had turned out differently we might have.

Wasn't it the 91s rather than the 90s that appeared instead of a fleet of 89s?

 

[hexagon789]

Wasn't it the 91s rather than the 90s that appeared instead of a fleet of 89s?

I believe so, but as the 89 came first wouldn't a production fleet of those have been built prior to 90s?

 

[hexagon789]

Why do you say that?

I can think of three reasons -

1. More powerful
2. Higher top speed
3. Surer-footed

 

[Bald Rick]

I believe so, but as the 89 came first wouldn't a production fleet of those have been built prior to 90s?

Nope. When the ECML electrification was authorised, it was a fleet of (about) 30 Class 89s to be paired to the existing HST trailers. The class 90s were ordered at the same time, some for the WCML, and some for the ECML to haul freight. Of course, back then (and for some time before delivery), they were known as 87/2s.

 

[hexagon789]

Nope. When the ECML electrification was authorised, it was a fleet of (about) 30 Class 89s to be paired to the existing HST trailers. The class 90s were ordered at the same time, some for the WCML, and some for the ECML to haul freight. Of course, back then (and for some time before delivery), they were known as 87/2s.

I see, so a similar time period then and with just 89s instead of 91s

 

[gimmea50anyday]

Off topic....

Thanks for that. I've heard the term load bank testing (mainly with the 60s coming back into service) but wasn't sure whether it was for all locos or just diesels

This is a diesel loco on a load bank test. Plug in your headphones or connect to a decent amp any turn the volume to 11. You can thank me later!!! (Any excuse to post this video again! XD )

Back on topic....

The 89 does have physical similarities to a 43 (HST) being a brush product and was superior in haulage capability and acceleration to a 91 but the 91 was ordered instead along with a new fleet of mk4s. The 90s (and the DVTs) were effectively replacements for the cl81-85 locos and were mixed traffic locos mainly for high speed intercity and mail/parcels sectors but were also allocated to freightliner work and for use across the entire OHLE network. This included ECML duties but they were not ordered specifically as part of the ECML electrification project.

 

[fgwrich]

Off topic....




This is a diesel loco on a load bank test. Plug in your headphones or connect to a decent amp any turn the volume to 11. You can thank me later!!! (Any excuse to post this video again! XD )

Back on topic....

The 89 does have physical similarities to a 43 (HST) being a brush product and was superior in haulage capability and acceleration to a 91 but the 91 was ordered instead along with a new fleet of mk4s. The 90s (and the DVTs) were effectively replacements for the cl81-85 locos and were mixed traffic locos mainly for high speed intercity and mail/parcels sectors but were also allocated to freightliner work and for use across the entire OHLE network. This included ECML duties but they were not ordered specifically as part of the ECML electrification project.

Funny that you mention loadbanks, Here's one of Carl Watson's videos (I was off when the team did this!) of 47841 on the load bank in Eastleigh too. The whining you can hear was the load bank which was believed to have some early AC loco kit in it. Sadly I'm not sure what happened to it in the end, but it certainly made a whine when used!

The 89 certainly gave us a glimpse of how Sir Kenneth's excellent HST Cab Design would have been if it was to retain buffers. I too would have liked to have seen more constructed, but the economies of the time sadly didn't allow so.

 

[43096]

Off topic....

This is a diesel loco on a load bank test. Plug in your headphones or connect to a decent amp any turn the volume to 11. You can thank me later!!! (Any excuse to post this video again! XD )

Any excuse for a blatant Spinal Tap reference too!

Back on topic....

The 89 does have physical similarities to a 43 (HST) being a brush product and was superior in haulage capability and acceleration to a 91 but the 91 was ordered instead along with a new fleet of mk4s. The 90s (and the DVTs) were effectively replacements for the cl81-85 locos and were mixed traffic locos mainly for high speed intercity and mail/parcels sectors but were also allocated to freightliner work and for use across the entire OHLE network. This included ECML duties but they were not ordered specifically as part of the ECML electrification project.

I’m not sure what any physical similarities have to do with it being a Brush product? HST design was down to BR (and Kenneth Grange) - Brush provided the electrical system but had nothing to do with the physical styling.

 

[Royston Vasey]

The 89 does have physical similarities to a 43 (HST) being a brush product and was superior in haulage capability and acceleration to a 91 but the 91 was ordered instead along with a new fleet of mk4s. The 90s (and the DVTs) were effectively replacements for the cl81-85 locos and were mixed traffic locos mainly for high speed intercity and mail/parcels sectors but were also allocated to freightliner work and for use across the entire OHLE network. This included ECML duties but they were not ordered specifically as part of the ECML electrification project.

Brush didn't have anything to do with the design and build of the HST, it was all BREL and cosmetically Kenneth Grange. The initial 89 drawings intentionally resembled the HST but that's as far as any sort of lineage goes.

 

[gimmea50anyday]

I stand cprrected, always thought it was a brush product. Having brush kit is what threw me. Of course you can spot the Kenneth grange touches on the loco