Glasgow - Edinburgh - different stock?

[codenamecuebal]

So I can get from Glasgow - Edinburgh on a turbostar and a voyager, but what about an HST or Class 380?

Yeah, 1 child leaving glasgow whenever, arriving edinburgh wav before 12:45 on sep 24th. Just want to make it a bit more interesting. No 156s. I'd like a reservation (so I'll be booking in advance)

I know ill be paying £5.70 but I don't care that much, just wanting to get there on something thats not a turbostar

 

[CarterUSM]

380 services to Edinburgh at 0703, 1514, and 1950, the first two are destination North Berwick, and the 1950 Edinburgh Waverley. No reservations on 380's though, not that you'd need one anyway.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

There's three 380s a day from Glasgow Central-Edinburgh / North Berwick via Carstairs, but they leave at irregular times during the day, and won't offer reservations. 334s run via Bathgate, but these are unreservable.

 

[rail-britain]

Sadly for the date specified no HST on Cross Country

There are no need for reservations on any of these services , normally plenty of choice if you arrive early

You could also travel 09:21 from Glasgow QS via Falkirk Grahamston, this would then allow you to travel on the Inverness - Kings Cross HST between Falkirk 10:45 and Edinburgh 11:17

The return service is 16:33

 

[IanXC]

334s run via Bathgate, but these are unreservable.

From what I've seen in the off peak you can usually get a coach all to yourself! All the services I've seen have been 2x 334!

 

[317 forever]

There's three 380s a day from Glasgow Central-Edinburgh / North Berwick via Carstairs, but they leave at irregular times during the day, and won't offer reservations. 334s run via Bathgate, but these are unreservable.

That reminds me. I find it odd that the new service from Glasgow to Edinburgh via Bathgate was specified for class 334s rather than new class 380s. I plan to ride this route and a class 380 later this month.

 

[michael769]

That reminds me. I find it odd that the new service from Glasgow to Edinburgh via Bathgate was specified for class 334s rather than new class 380s. I plan to ride this route and a class 380 later this month.

AIUI, the 380s were earmarked for the ayrshire lines as a capacity increase measure.

 

[jopsuk]

Indeed- longer carriages plus some of the fleet is 4 car- I believe they run up to 7 car formation.

 

[rail-britain]

I believe they run up to 7 car formation.

There were plans to have some services as 8 car, but this has been suspended for the foreseeable future

 

[Max]

Moved to Traction and Rolling Stock.

 

[cslusarc]

Going forward I think that Glasgow-to-Edinburgh needs a new order of 5 and 6 car Class 380s to do the run from Glasgow-Queen Street.

 

[MCR247]

Thats what TS are proposing. But 125mph capable ones hock:

 

[rail-britain]

Going forward I think that Glasgow-to-Edinburgh needs a new order of 5 and 6 car Class 380s

Already discussed, the Class 380 is basically a test bed for this
The units will be a mix of 4 car capable of 100mph and 6 car, capable of 125mph
However, initially they will all operate at 100mph

 

[ainsworth74]

But 125mph capable ones

I honestly don't get this requirement, it seems like it's going to add cost/complexity to project for the benefit of a couple of minuets saved. Why bother?

 

[rail-britain]

I honestly don't get this requirement, it seems like it's going to add cost/complexity to project for the benefit of a couple of minuets saved. Why bother?

Equally, that has been the majority of the response from passengers during surveys
Furthermore many don't see the point of electrification to simply reduce the journey time from 50 minutes to 37 minutes (a 25% reduction)
Is 13 minutes worth investing for?
Seems TS say yes

The same parallel issue existed with Ayr Line, many people did not see the advantage of reducing the journey time from just over 1 hour to 50 minutes

The final benefit is reduction noise and emissions

 

[route:oxford]

Already discussed, the Class 380 is basically a test bed for this
The units will be a mix of 4 car capable of 100mph and 6 car, capable of 125mph
However, initially they will all operate at 100mph

Would a 7 car emu fit in all platforms (bar platform 1?) at Queen Street? If so, then it would probably be wise to order for maximum passenger accommodation.

I suspect that the distributed traction of an emu would offer a prompt exit from Queen Street.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Would a 7 car emu fit in all platforms (bar platform 1?) at Queen Street?

Correct, p2-7 can take between 7-9 cars IIRC; p1 only 4 cars.

 

[tbtc]

I honestly don't get this requirement, it seems like it's going to add cost/complexity to project for the benefit of a couple of minuets saved. Why bother?

It looks silly, especially when you consider that the Edinburgh - Glasgow services are dealing with:

Edinburgh - Newbridge Junction - four "all stops" services an hour (to Glasgow area via Bathgate)
Edinburgh - Newbridge Junction - Polmont - two "all stops" services an hour (to Dunblane)
Greenhill - Glasgow - two "all stops" services an hour (from Dunblane/ Alloa)
Greenhill - Glasgow - one or two "fast" services an hour (from Aberdeen/ Inverness etc)

...and no loops/ scope for overtaking.

(plus freight etc)

So thats about seven miles "free" between Polmont and Greenhill, which involves the stop at Falkirk High. Not exactly a lot of scope for 125 mph running.

 

[MacCookie]

Already discussed, the Class 380 is basically a test bed for this [E&G EMUs]
The units will be a mix of 4 car capable of 100mph and 6 car, capable of 125mph
However, initially they will all operate at 100mph

LMAO! Do you just make this stuff up?!

Ewan
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Correct, p2-7 can take between 7-9 cars IIRC; p1 only 4 cars.

No they can't. Assuming that TS spec 23m bodies again, the maximum train lengths are as follows:

1 - 3 coaches
2 - 6 coaches
3 - 5 coaches
4 - 5 coaches
5 - 7 coaches
6 - 7 coaches
7 - 8 coaches

Ewan

 

[junglejames]

LMAO! Do you just make this stuff up?!

Ewan

Nope, he isnt just making it up. What would be the point in that.
Scotrail have come out and said this is the plan. Have you seen the posters advertising massively reduced journey times?

 

[matchmaker]

It looks silly, especially when you consider that the Edinburgh - Glasgow services are dealing with:

Edinburgh - Newbridge Junction - four "all stops" services an hour (to Glasgow area via Bathgate)
Edinburgh - Newbridge Junction - Polmont - two "all stops" services an hour (to Dunblane)
Greenhill - Glasgow - two "all stops" services an hour (from Dunblane/ Alloa)
Greenhill - Glasgow - one or two "fast" services an hour (from Aberdeen/ Inverness etc)

...and no loops/ scope for overtaking.

(plus freight etc)

So thats about seven miles "free" between Polmont and Greenhill, which involves the stop at Falkirk High. Not exactly a lot of scope for 125 mph running.

Loops (both sides) at Cadder and Gartshore, up side at Linlithgow. There are also proposals to considerably change the setup at Greenhill Upper Junction.

 

[tbtc]

Loops (both sides) at Cadder and Gartshore, up side at Linlithgow. There are also proposals to considerably change the setup at Greenhill Upper Junction.

Fair enough - serves me right for not paying attention

I still think that the amount of "stoppers" (and flat junctions etc) means that 125mph would be completely over-speccing. What next - 90mph DMUs allocated to the short electrified Lymington branch? Oh...

 

[MacCookie]

Nope, he isnt just making it up. What would be the point in that.
Scotrail have come out and said this is the plan. Have you seen the posters advertising massively reduced journey times?

I've got no idea why he'd make it up.

And yes, I've seen all the stuff published about EGIP.

Ewan

 

[jopsuk]

Fair enough - serves me right for not paying attention

I still think that the amount of "stoppers" (and flat junctions etc) means that 125mph would be completely over-speccing. What next - 90mph DMUs allocated to the short electrified Lymington branch? Oh...

that's got 100mph EMUs at the weekend- but then the old units they replaced were certainly 90mph capable.

Clearly what E-G actually needs is a 200mph+ maglev- I believe politicians may have even suggested this at some point.