GN Class 717

[AndyNLondon]

There is a rumour, that testing may resume in/out of the NCL, Overnight Monday 10/09 into Tuesday 11/09.

Would that be this trio of trains shown for tonight?
Ferme Park (0017) - Moorgate (0113) - Finsbury Park (0154)
Finsbury Park (0200) - Moorgate (0256) - Finsbury Park (0336)
Finsbury Park (0340) - Moorgate (0437) - Ferme Park (0543)
(RTT shows the first two every night this week, and the third tonight & tomorrow night, FWIW.)

 

[jon0844]

Would that be this trio of trains shown for tonight?
Ferme Park (0017) - Moorgate (0113) - Finsbury Park (0154)
Finsbury Park (0200) - Moorgate (0256) - Finsbury Park (0336)
Finsbury Park (0340) - Moorgate (0437) - Ferme Park (0543)
(RTT shows the first two every night this week, and the third tonight & tomorrow night, FWIW.)

Almost certainly.

 

[SteveOfTheStow]

My inference from the above statements of 717 movements is that the units are done testing with Finsbury Park northward (given they're glorified 700s they should've passed easy!) and the real work is with ensuring they're good for the NCL (e.g. the tripcock requiring a design change). Hopefully they nail that down soon so they're a step closer towards being introduced to passenger service

 

[APUK002]

All Peterborough drivers sign 700s bar a very tiny handful. Im pretty much certain all do tbh

Oh gd,gd to near

 

[APUK002]

My inference from the above statements of 717 movements is that the units are done testing with Finsbury Park northward (given they're glorified 700s they should've passed easy!) and the real work is with ensuring they're good for the NCL (e.g. the tripcock requiring a design change). Hopefully they nail that down soon so they're a step closer towards being introduced to passenger service

Yes,I agree.

 

[sprunt]

Finsbury Park (0340) - Moorgate (0437) - Ferme Park (0543)

This one has a message saying "This service was cancelled throughout due to contractual exclusions (PZ)." Does anyone know what this means? (In terms of what "PZ" is code for, what "contractual exclusions" might apply - not in terms of what it means for progress of testing.)

 

[SteveOfTheStow]

Looking at the first two trips, it looks like they got to Moorgate then stopped for a long time and the system is seeing the return from Moorgate on the first trip as the return on the second trip. I'd hazard that the PZ code could be shoehorning a reason for the cancellation into the system - in actuality they probably decided to end testing after the only round trip for whatever reason.

(All just layman's guessing)

 

[sprunt]

I'd hazard that the PZ code could be shoehorning a reason for the cancellation into the system - in actuality they probably decided to end testing after the only round trip for whatever reason.

(All just layman's guessing)

Yeah, that makes sense - it's not as if any of these are going to show up in any statistics anywhere.

 

[SteveOfTheStow]

Saw 717007 in Hornsey depot when I passed in the early evening; first time I've seen a 717 in there.

Meanwhile on the other side in Ferme Park there were two units sitting there. Not sure where the fourth was.

 

[717001]

Looks as though they may have managed one trip into Moorgate again last night: http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/R00325/2018/09/12/advanced

There's also a possible trip to and from Peterborough tonight:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97580/2018/09/13/advanced
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/K97579/2018/09/13/advanced

 

[notverydeep]

Get a Henry down there and it'll be clean in no time!

I once read a paper requesting funding for a tunnel cleaning train. Option 1 was (and it really did say this) - "passenger train with a Henry".

I don't think it was the selected option though...

 

[Chris125]

Network Rail ordered their own tunnel cleaning train for the NCL, but this derailed either on delivery or very shortly afterwards, and it's all gone quiet.

Are there any photos/details of this train? I'm struggling to find any.

 

[notverydeep]

Apologies if already reported somewhere, but 717010 was on Hornsey (not Ferme Park) last night, visible behind a stabled 313 passing at roughly 1730. I hadn't seen that one mentioned up to now. I presume there are now six in the UK. Can anyone advise which unit arrived with number 10?

 

[332 > 444]

Unit 003 was it's travelling partner.

 

[APUK002]

Apologies if already reported somewhere, but 717010 was on Hornsey (not Ferme Park) last night, visible behind a stabled 313 passing at roughly 1730. I hadn't seen that one mentioned up to now. I presume there are now six in the UK. Can anyone advise which unit arrived with number 10?

We got 6 now? Kool

 

[SteveOfTheStow]

So that's a fifth of the units delivered! Exciting

 

[H0use]

Just left Moorgate on the 23:10 to HFN and there was a 717 on platform 9. It left before my 313 service and clearly didn’t catch fire en-route.

 

[jon0844]

Just left Moorgate on the 23:10 to HFN and there was a 717 on platform 9. It left before my 313 service and clearly didn’t catch fire en-route.

The new tripcocks have more clearance so hopefully there won't be a repeat incident.

What needs to happen is driver training, and 700 trained Hitchin drivers moving to WGC and doing the conversion course, or we'll be swamped with 717s and nowhere to store them as the 313s can't leave.

 

[nxea321446]

This was posted by James Welham on Anglia Gen yesterday afternoon.

Afternoon All,

From next Monday, the following ECS trains are booked to operate using Class 717s for crew familiarisation:

5K81 0959 Hornsey EMUD - Moorgate
5G82 1035 Moorgate - Gordon Hill
5J83 1151 Gordon Hill - Moorgate
5G84 1234 Moorgate - Gordon Hill
5J85 1355 Gordon Hill - Moorgate
5G86 1435 Moorgate - Gordon Hill
5E87 1517 Gordon Hill - Hornsey EMUD

Next Friday (28th), two additional passenger trains are planned to operate as follows using Class 717s:

5K91 0959 Hornsey EMUD - Moorgate
5G92 1035 Moorgate - Finsbury Park
*2G92 1049 Finsbury Park- Gordon Hill*
5E93 1117 Gordon Hill - Hornsey EMUD

5K95 1411 Hornsey EMUD - Moorgate
5G96 1435 Moorgate - Finsbury Park
*2G96 1449 Finsbury Park- Gordon Hill*
5E97 1517 Gordon Hill - Hornsey EMUD

There are additional paths overnight for more testing and commissioning visiting Welwyn, Stevenage and Letchworth A/D lines however these will only run when required by the Testing and Commisisoning department.

 

[MatthewRead]

This was posted by James Welham on Anglia Gen yesterday afternoon.

Afternoon All,

From next Monday, the following ECS trains are booked to operate using Class 717s for crew familiarisation:

5K81 0959 Hornsey EMUD - Moorgate
5G82 1035 Moorgate - Gordon Hill
5J83 1151 Gordon Hill - Moorgate
5G84 1234 Moorgate - Gordon Hill
5J85 1355 Gordon Hill - Moorgate
5G86 1435 Moorgate - Gordon Hill
5E87 1517 Gordon Hill - Hornsey EMUD

Next Friday (28th), two additional passenger trains are planned to operate as follows using Class 717s:

5K91 0959 Hornsey EMUD - Moorgate
5G92 1035 Moorgate - Finsbury Park
*2G92 1049 Finsbury Park- Gordon Hill*
5E93 1117 Gordon Hill - Hornsey EMUD

5K95 1411 Hornsey EMUD - Moorgate
5G96 1435 Moorgate - Finsbury Park
*2G96 1449 Finsbury Park- Gordon Hill*
5E97 1517 Gordon Hill - Hornsey EMUD

There are additional paths overnight for more testing and commissioning visiting Welwyn, Stevenage and Letchworth A/D lines however these will only run when required by the Testing and Commisisoning department.

Good hope to get a ride on one next Saturday.

 

[Failed Unit]

This was posted by James Welham on Anglia Gen yesterday afternoon.

Afternoon All,

From next Monday, the following ECS trains are booked to operate using Class 717s for crew familiarisation:

5K81 0959 Hornsey EMUD - Moorgate
5G82 1035 Moorgate - Gordon Hill
5J83 1151 Gordon Hill - Moorgate
5G84 1234 Moorgate - Gordon Hill
5J85 1355 Gordon Hill - Moorgate
5G86 1435 Moorgate - Gordon Hill
5E87 1517 Gordon Hill - Hornsey EMUD

Next Friday (28th), two additional passenger trains are planned to operate as follows using Class 717s:

5K91 0959 Hornsey EMUD - Moorgate
5G92 1035 Moorgate - Finsbury Park
*2G92 1049 Finsbury Park- Gordon Hill*
5E93 1117 Gordon Hill - Hornsey EMUD

5K95 1411 Hornsey EMUD - Moorgate
5G96 1435 Moorgate - Finsbury Park
*2G96 1449 Finsbury Park- Gordon Hill*
5E97 1517 Gordon Hill - Hornsey EMUD

There are additional paths overnight for more testing and commissioning visiting Welwyn, Stevenage and Letchworth A/D lines however these will only run when required by the Testing and Commisisoning department.

Wonder what the point of the extra passenger workings are for. So GTR can claim that it has entered passenger service at a time when they still can’t deliver the May timetable.

Can see them now running a pointless service just so they can “meet a franchise commitment.

Good for those that want a ride. Does nothing for us that want a normal timetable.

 

[BlyRF]

Wonderfull, it’s so good to see that these trains are finally making rapid headway with testing, driver train and passenger service entree.

These are progressing some what faster then the 710s. I very much would be hoping to catch a ride on one of these soon.

 

[Failed Unit]

Wonderfull, it’s so good to see that these trains are finally making rapid headway with testing, driver train and passenger service entree.

These are progressing some what faster then the 710s. I very much would be hoping to catch a ride on one of these soon.

I understand that we won’t see rapid introductions into service for fear of another collapse in PPM. We haven’t managed to recover from the introduction of the 700s yet. Remember new trains are normally less reliable than the ones the replace as the go through the “bathtub”.

We may get a couple of diagrams. Probably off peak to avoid a failure collapsing the rush hour. However I also understand the 313s must be gone by May 2019 or the new timetable won’t work (Deja vu). We will see. It will certainly be nice to hopefully have some space to swing a cat. Even if more people will stand because of the reduction in seats.

 

[Downthelane]

Excellent news regarding the 717's, they will make a huge difference and being "stuck behind a slow" won't be the painful experience it is with the 313.

Sadly this thread is suffering the same negative vibe that most GN related threads do, seems some are never quite satisfied.

GN are getting there, the service for me now is more than acceptable and with the dropped services back from next week all seems significantly better.

 

[Failed Unit]

GN are getting there, the service for me now is more than acceptable and with the dropped services back from next week all seems significantly better.

Clearly you don’t travel at weekends much. . Only 4 dropped services are returning next week so good for a few but not for the majority.

But do you really think we will see instant improvement when the 717s come in? Most new train introductions make things worse short term irrespective of manufacturer of the train or the TOC involved. Mainly because of delays caused by lack of familiarity with the trains and things showing up which were not noticed on the test tracks. For me the 717s will have plus and negative. Plus - space may be able to board the first train at Finsbury Park. Environment- air con and PIS. Negative - less comfortable seats. (Hope lessons are learned from the 700s).

I know it is a very negative thing to say but GTR don’t do introductions of new things very well.

 

[jon0844]

One additional benefit will be the shorter time to shut down a 717 (even easier than a 700) so in times of disruption or simply just when a train is shunting, it can be sent on its way much quicker than today and clearing the platform for other services.

 

[samuelmorris]

The 717 seats are identical to the 700s, so I doubt any 'lessons' will be learned there.

I agree it's not nice to be negative but all past evidence does suggest the likelihood of this introduction going without a hitch to be low...

 

[332 > 444]

One additional benefit will be the shorter time to shut down a 717 (even easier than a 700) so in times of disruption or simply just when a train is shunting, it can be sent on its way much quicker than today and clearing the platform for other services.

As in the P4 to P1 shunt?

Will be great when the drivers (trainees and qualified) knows how to work them, not all of HC, WGC and Hornsey are even 700 trained! Least the trainees in the school are just solely learning 700s now.

 

[transmanche]

Wonder what the point of the extra passenger workings are for.

Most new train introductions make things worse short term irrespective of manufacturer of the train or the TOC involved. Mainly because of delays caused by lack of familiarity with the trains and things showing up which were not noticed on the test tracks.

There you go, you've answered your own question!

 

[03_179]

This was posted by James Welham on Anglia Gen yesterday afternoon.

Afternoon All,

From next Monday, the following ECS trains are booked to operate using Class 717s for crew familiarisation:

5K81 0959 Hornsey EMUD - Moorgate
5G82 1035 Moorgate - Gordon Hill
5J83 1151 Gordon Hill - Moorgate
5G84 1234 Moorgate - Gordon Hill
5J85 1355 Gordon Hill - Moorgate
5G86 1435 Moorgate - Gordon Hill
5E87 1517 Gordon Hill - Hornsey EMUD

Next Friday (28th), two additional passenger trains are planned to operate as follows using Class 717s:

5K91 0959 Hornsey EMUD - Moorgate
5G92 1035 Moorgate - Finsbury Park
*2G92 1049 Finsbury Park- Gordon Hill*
5E93 1117 Gordon Hill - Hornsey EMUD

5K95 1411 Hornsey EMUD - Moorgate
5G96 1435 Moorgate - Finsbury Park
*2G96 1449 Finsbury Park- Gordon Hill*
5E97 1517 Gordon Hill - Hornsey EMUD

There are additional paths overnight for more testing and commissioning visiting Welwyn, Stevenage and Letchworth A/D lines however these will only run when required by the Testing and Commisisoning department.

Will these Mon-Fri only or any Saturday workings happening ?