GN Class 717

[jon0844]

Theyve had an age to sort this out, but with no one at the helm of GTR taking any lead (or basically not caring), and My Grayling himself not interested in running a railway, it seems no alterations to the spec have been done.

What say would GTR have had on interior layout? As a management contract, wouldn't the DfT have said the interior spec should remain the same (less toilets and first class)? Who would have paid? GTR? DfT? The ROSCO?

As with carnets not going onto a smartcard, it's not a DfT requirement so it just doesn't happen.

 

[bramling]

and only one pantograph

And no first class - which may be missed by one or two on here who wax lyrical about the 700 interior and how people should embrace it, yet themselves make a bee-line for declassified first!

 

[Hadders]

The best sort of layout for the 717s would be something similar to the S8s on the Metropolitan Line.

 

[Hadders]

And no first class - which may be missed by one or two on here who wax lyrical about the 700 interior and how people should embrace it, yet themselves make a bee-line for declassified first!

And 6 carriages instead of 8 or 12.

 

[physics34]

What say would GTR have had on interior layout? As a management contract, wouldn't the DfT have said the interior spec should remain the same (less toilets and first class)? Who would have paid? GTR? DfT? The ROSCO?

As with carnets not going onto a smartcard, it's not a DfT requirement so it just doesn't happen.

they could have a made a "request" based on any "research" that they had done. If alterations were made before they were built there wouldnt have been any additional cost, barring an inch of extra seat cushioning/foam per seat.

 

[jon0844]

they could have a made a "request" based on any "research" that they had done. If alterations were made before they were built there wouldnt have been any additional cost, barring an inch of extra seat cushioning/foam per seat.

Maybe they did and the DfT said no. Which is quite likely as I doubt GTR or any TOC would want to have negative publicity if there's little to no cost. Good PR is essential to operators.

 

[physics34]

Maybe they did and the DfT said no. Which is quite likely as I doubt GTR or any TOC would want to have negative publicity if there's little to no cost. Good PR is essential to operators.

i believe they did with the 700s and the DfT just ignored them

 

[southern442]

i believe they did with the 700s and the DfT just ignored them

Kind of like how Northern did that seat survey and then had to pick the least popular option?

 

[jon0844]

If Corbyn gets in and nationalises, I'm sure we'll all get comfy sofas in standard class. First class won't exist.

That's not to say Jeremy won't still sit on the floor of course.

 

[Aictos]

If Corbyn gets in and nationalises, I'm sure we'll all get comfy sofas in standard class. First class won't exist.

That's not to say Jeremy won't still sit on the floor of course.

You're forgetting it will be compartment stock and loco hauled too!

 

[physics34]

You're forgetting it will be compartment stock and loco hauled too!

and he seriously wanted women only compartments too didnt he say?! lol

 

[jellybaby]

and he seriously wanted women only compartments too didnt he say?! lol

Not really, no.

"I would consult with women and open it up to hear their views on whether women-only carriages would be welcome"
https://www.theguardian.com/politic...n-carriages-a-possibility-under-jeremy-corbyn

I think that is a consultation where the outcome isn't a foregone conclusion, which is perhaps unusual.

 

[BlyRF]

Feast your eyes on this latest fine beauty from three days ago:

 

[BowesRanger]

Sweeet

 

[TFN]

Did they change the "doors open" noise?

 

[MatthewRead]

Did they change the "doors open" noise?

That's how they sound on the 800!

 

[physics34]

Did they change the "doors open" noise?

Why does it have to sound 5 times? Ridiculous overkill.

 

[samuelmorris]

I think that's to comply with current PRM standards isn't it? two separate tones must be used, within a specific frequency band, and for a minimum duration. Presumably the 700s were designed so long ago now that they didn't need to meet the latest spec.

 

[physics34]

I think that's to comply with current PRM standards isn't it? two separate tones must be used, within a specific frequency band, and for a minimum duration. Presumably the 700s were designed so long ago now that they didn't need to meet the latest spec.

From what i remember they go on for longer than the minimum requirement and they are louder

 

[TFN]

That's how they sound on the 800!

It's too loud! I hear the 800s at Paddington three platforms away from where I'm stationed at. Mind you this is the same station with ear blasting HSTs and Turbos.

The 717s door chime doesn't sound as loud as the 800 but it could be just the consequence of it in video format.

 

[Bikeman78]

From what i remember they go on for longer than the minimum requirement and they are louder

The door release tone on the S stock is perfectly audible yet unobtrusive. Why can't National Rail trains be the same?

 

[Ethano92]

The door release tone on the S stock is perfectly audible yet unobtrusive. Why can't National Rail trains be the same?

Agreed, if it's such an important regulation to the point they have to be stupidly loud at times like on the 800s then why should southeastern's Electrostars (for example) be able to operate with barely audibe door open and close tones. if the regulation was so important then surely the tones would've been changed with the refurbishment they recently had. We arent asking for silence, but we don't need something excessively loud.

In this case on the 717s I hope it wasn't just the video and the doors are actually at an adequate volume

 

[Arkady]

Just seen 717007 at Finsbury Park heading north. Saw one around the same time last night too. Looking forward to seeing the back of the old rustbuckets currently on the line, though I suppose they've proven to be value for money. If I understood the post upthread correctly they're already in service off-peak? Anyone caught one yet?

 

[TRAX]

Feast your eyes on this latest fine beauty from three days ago:

The contrast between the crappy old station and the arse-spanking new train is amazing.

 

[jellybaby]

crappy old station

I think you mean heritage station!

 

[whhistle]

Did they change the "doors open" noise?

I'd change it to a space ship door opening sort of swoosh sound!
Maybe TPE should with their Nova stock.

 

[physics34]

The door release tone on the S stock is perfectly audible yet unobtrusive. Why can't National Rail trains be the same?

No testing probably on passengers. Theyve just picked a product that is well within the regs without consideration. I guess they are not getting many complaints

 

[samuelmorris]

From PRM-TSI regulations:

This alert signal shall sound for a minimum of five seconds unless the door is operated, in which case it may cease after 3 seconds.

Both 700s and 345s adhere to the absolute minimum of this - 3 seconds where the door is opened (3 at 1s intervals in the case of the 700, 6 at 0.5s intervals in the case of the 345) and 5 seconds where it isn't (5 and 10 respectively).

 

[swt_passenger]

The door release tone on the S stock is perfectly audible yet unobtrusive. Why can't National Rail trains be the same?

I think LU arranged a derogation against the latest standards which should have applied to 2009 and S stock when new. Something about reducing the period the door closing alarm had to operate for, they reckoned a longer period led to more people being caught in the doors...

 

[samuelmorris]

Sounds plausible as current regs also require the sound to continue as the door closes, which not all LU stock does. Straying off topic now, but I wonder if the first NTfL units will be designed to RVAR or PRM-TSI standards...