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The trackwork at western end of Cardiff Station is basically unchanged from what I can see from the recent re-signalling, the reason that they needed so many points and crossings is that is was not bi-directional, now it is, it needs a good simplification, I am sure most of them are not needed as the crossing of trains can now be done at the Eastern end of Cardiff. It is going to be a nightmare to wire up when they get around to it.
The trackwork at western end of Cardiff Station is basically unchanged from what I can see from the recent re-signalling, the reason that they needed so many points and crossings is that is was not bi-directional, now it is, it needs a good simplification, I am sure most of them are not needed as the crossing of trains can now be done at the Eastern end of Cardiff. It is going to be a nightmare to wire up when they get around to it.
No I do not work for Network Rail or design signalling layouts etc, the point I am trying to make is that the points and track work at western end of Cardiff station has been left untouched, there are many diamond crossings for example, now that there is bi-directional running through the station area, trains do not have to cross at the western end of the station to access the up main and relief lines at the eastern end.So you're sure, are you? Do you design track and signalling layouts for a living?
Network Rail doesn't install expensive pointwork and signals just because it can - that kit is there for a reason.
I would echo Mintona's remark about getting into a platform much faster - I haven't been on a single train that was held outside the station on recent visits to Cardiff, which used to be almost guaranteed in the past.
And I can think of one or two places where installation of overhead wires was/would be a lot more of a challenge than Cardiff.
No I do not work for Network Rail or design signalling layouts etc, the point I am trying to make is that the points and track work at western end of Cardiff station has been left untouched, there are many diamond crossings for example, now that there is bi-directional running through the station area, trains do not have to cross at the western end of the station to access the up main and relief lines at the eastern end.
The eastern end of Cardiff was completely redone and all the old point work was removed.
I do take your point that the re signalling has improved the flow of trains, but I still say it will not be easy to wire the western end, it will depend how much wiring will be needed as the electric trains will go no further than Cardiff station itself, they may do something simple just to hook it up to the new sub station at Canton.
It is just the relief lines. Passenger trains are never routed into the Llanwern steelworks. For one thing, there is no passenger signalling there!Travelled to Swansea yesterday and returned today. Being a very rare visitor to South Wales, I am not familiar with this route and wondering if somebody can answer a question (my apologies if I overlooked the answer in this thread) about the routing of services to avoid the electrification engineering work between Severn Tunnel Junction and Newport. My impression is that to avoid the electrification works, we took a separate route from Bishton to East Usk, which looking at my copy of Quail suggests the Llanwern service line. Is my impression correct or have I just assumed this from the separated section of down relief before Bishton? The return today I think was along the relief line and certainly over the Bishton Flyover, which makes me think that I am confusing myself about the service line in use for diversionary purposes. Can anybody enlighten me please?
It is just the relief lines. Passenger trains are never routed into the Llanwern steelworks. For one thing, there is no passenger signalling there!
If you've never been on the Down Relief before, it's a bit deceptive when you veer away from the main lines to pass to the left of the flyover, because you don't see the rest of the 4 track formation for some time.Travelled to Swansea yesterday and returned today. Being a very rare visitor to South Wales, I am not familiar with this route and wondering if somebody can answer a question (my apologies if I overlooked the answer in this thread) about the routing of services to avoid the electrification engineering work between Severn Tunnel Junction and Newport. My impression is that to avoid the electrification works, we took a separate route from Bishton to East Usk, which looking at my copy of Quail suggests the Llanwern service line. Is my impression correct or have I just assumed this from the separated section of down relief before Bishton? The return today I think was along the relief line and certainly over the Bishton Flyover, which makes me think that I am confusing myself about the service line in use for diversionary purposes. Can anybody enlighten me please?
If you've never been on the Down Relief before, it's a bit deceptive when you veer away from the main lines to pass to the left of the flyover, because you don't see the rest of the 4 track formation for some time.
If you've never been on the Down Relief before, it's a bit deceptive when you veer away from the main lines to pass to the left of the flyover, because you don't see the rest of the 4 track formation for some time.
I’m not sure you can ‘veer’ at the gentle 40mph linespeed! Only one thing more boring than passing Llanwern steelworks - passing it on the Reliefs.
The problem is, while the layout at the east end has changed; the timetable hasn’t changed to take advantage. At least 5 trains per hour arrive from the Newport direction; shunt out to the West End and then back into the station to depart back East. Taking a typical hour on a weekday:
[5 trains]
On top of that the following through trains operate on the mainline side, same typical hour on a weekday:
[6 more trains]
So the need to crossover is there to keep all those trains running without getting in each other’s way. The retiming exercise to get all of that to work and have reasonable dwell times for terminating services is extreme. They’re all diamonds and slips because of the need to cross all lines between the station and Canton depot.
Shuttle Bus??News from sunny Steventon. They have installed some comedy frills along the parapets of the bridge to stop people poking the OLE with umbrellas. Stocks lane crossing will now be shut for a few days with restricted access via Causeway crossing (no pedestrians and shuttle bus) while they get on with the serious work of getting the wires up.
So have I read your post correctly, that Stocks Lane crossing is closed, road traffic can use Causeway crossing, but no pedestrians who have to travel by shuttle bus? That must be unique.Yup, that's what NR inform us (the residents). I would assume its something to do with lengths of catenary and conductor etc being laid out, trip hazards, risk assessment and all that good stuff. Fortunately we live the right side of the tracks
Rail replacement bus service yes, but pedestrian replacement bus service . . .
News from sunny Steventon. They have installed some comedy frills along the parapets of the bridge to stop people poking the OLE with umbrellas. Stocks lane crossing will now be shut for a few days with restricted access via Causeway crossing (no pedestrians and shuttle bus) while they get on with the serious work of getting the wires up.
Yup, that's what NR inform us (the residents). I would assume its something to do with lengths of catenary and conductor etc being laid out, trip hazards, risk assessment and all that good stuff. Fortunately we live the right side of the tracks
Milton - Wantage Road to be energised WEF 10:00 Saturday 26th May.
Did the power get switched on? Did the shuttle bus run?Wires are already up.
Special arrangements are probably for energised and subsequent testing due to the circumstances at this location.