GWR Cornish Night Riviera Sleeper and GWR Class 57 updates from Long Rock

[43096]

TSO with T=tourist meant 2+2 didn't it, with the original SOs being 2+1 but at Standard class pitch (8 windows in a Mk1 rather than 7 in 1st)?

Correct!

 

[USRailFan]

Wouldn't a DSO be a Driving Standard Open? AFAIK the syntax of the letters have meaning - or used to have meaning - too?

 

[Bletchleyite]

Wouldn't a DSO be a Driving Standard Open? AFAIK the syntax of the letters have meaning - or used to have meaning - too?

Normally that's a DBSO (Driving Brake Standard Open) as it's unusual for one not to have guard provision as well as a cab. But yes, the position of the letters also has significance, D first means driving.

 

[co-tr-paul]

D for disabled toilet
106xx SLEPs are now SLEDs .

 

[FGW_DID]

D for disabled toilet
106xx SLEPs are now SLEDs .

In that case shouldn't the DSO actually be a SOD! Standard Open (Disabled Toilet)

 

[43096]

In that case shouldn't the DSO actually be a SOD! Standard Open (Disabled Toilet)

TSOD…

 

[co-tr-paul]

Delivered back from Plymouth Laira today following it's C6, 10596 gets reversed into its home.

 

[Jrocks]

That's had a bit of an adventure today after getting stuck on a slip road! Pleased it's back home safely

Train on lorry gets stuck on A30 slip road

Drivers have been forced to turn around

www.devonlive.com

 

[55002]

Bit of a stupid question but why couldn’t the sleeper loco at Penzance go and fetch that instead of travelling by road?

 

[DelW]

That's had a bit of an adventure today after getting stuck on a slip road! Pleased it's back home safely

Train on lorry gets stuck on A30 slip road

Drivers have been forced to turn around

www.devonlive.com

Is that the same coach though? Plymouth to Penzance via Okehampton is a pretty roundabout route, unless it's too heavy for the Tamar Bridge, which seems unlikely.

If the Devon Live reporting is correct, it was stuck on a B road crossing over the A30, rather than travelling along the dual carriageway. Of course local news websites aren't always as accurate as one might hope.

 

[TheEngineer]

Is that the same coach though? Plymouth to Penzance via Okehampton is a pretty roundabout route, unless it's too heavy for the Tamar Bridge, which seems unlikely.

If the Devon Live reporting is correct, it was stuck on a B road crossing over the A30, rather than travelling along the dual carriageway. Of course local news websites aren't always as accurate as one might hope.

Just watched the clip on Devon Live and it looked like the number was 10596... but a little blurred

 

[DelW]

Just watched the clip on Devon Live and it looked like the number was 10596... but a little blurred

You're right, now I've managed to get the video to load, the number does look like 10596 ... and it does seem to be on the road over the top of the A30. What a curious routing, there must be issues with load limits on the direct route.

 

[HamworthyGoods]

Bit of a stupid question but why couldn’t the sleeper loco at Penzance go and fetch that instead of travelling by road?

The sleeper loco has daytime maintenance at Long Rock depot.

The 57 fleet is stretched currently with their overhaul programme under way.

 

[norbitonflyer]

...apparently the Dft insisted upon standard GWR green so not allowed anything different.... ( remembering artist impression of IET in allover chocolate.... )

GWR green is so drab, with not even history to give it any credence. the original GWR coaching stock, including the multiple units, were always chocolate and cream. Only the locomotives were green.

 

[Amlag]

The sleeper loco has daytime maintenance at Long Rock depot.

The 57 fleet is stretched currently with their overhaul programme under way.

The lengthy road haulage of these coaches between Penzance and Laira via A30 to Exeter then A38 to Plymo and vv, is on the face of it scandalous and does nothing to encourage confidence in rail transport.
With a bit of all round Railway Top Management initiative surely these coaches could be conveyed between Pz and Laira on the now regular Pz/ Exe/ Pz special day time trains which use a cl 57 and some sleeper train stock that are run to maintain traincrew competency; as the Night Riviera sleeper is only currently running two nights a week, mainly due the ongoing mid week night time closures of Totnes to Tav. Jn for Signal and PWay work.

 

[LateThanNever]

The lengthy road haulage of these coaches between Penzance and Laira via A30 to Exeter then A38 to Plymo and vv, is on the face of it scandalous and does nothing to encourage confidence in rail transport.
With a bit of all round Railway Top Management initiative surely these coaches could be conveyed between Pz and Laira on the now regular Pz/ Exe/ Pz special day time trains which use a cl 57 and some sleeper train stock that are run to maintain traincrew competency; as the Night Riviera sleeper is only currently running two nights a week, mainly due the ongoing mid week night time closures of Totnes to Tav. Jn for Signal and PWay work.

Spot on - there seems to be no competence in railway management - probably too occupied, like Avanti, with 'free money'.

 

[richw]

Is that the same coach though? Plymouth to Penzance via Okehampton is a pretty roundabout route, unless it's too heavy for the Tamar Bridge, which seems unlikely.

If the Devon Live reporting is correct, it was stuck on a B road crossing over the A30, rather than travelling along the dual carriageway. Of course local news websites aren't always as accurate as one might hope.

It went via Tavistock heading down to Penzance.
Tamar bridge has time restrictions on abnormal loads, which pretty much restricts to overnight crossings.
Then there’s the low bridge at Trerulefoot, and very rare for an abnormal Load to gain a movement order to pass through the Glynn Valley.

 

[83G/84D]

ZEBRA funding could pave the way for greener buses - Derby City Council

The Council and bus operators are to submit a bid for funding to buy zero emission buses.

www.derby.gov.uk

Wellglade have applied for Hydrogen funding in the governments new scheme for cleaner & greener travel, with Sixes, Skylink Derby/Nottingham & Skylink express all suggested forward for the funding.

How well did 170520 and it's driver cope when it hit a tree near Lydney? I realise there are all kinds of factors in play, size of tree, type, collision speed, position of tree etc etc.

Delivered back from Plymouth Laira todayView attachment 150618 following its C6, 10596 gets reversed into its home.

When being unloaded onto the siding it derailed apparently! Perhaps the carriage should be re numbered 10666 given the eventful journey it had today!

 

[Ashley Hill]

It went via Tavistock heading down to Penzance.

The closest GWR will ever get to Tavistock!

 

[Irascible]

GWR green is so drab, with not even history to give it any credence. the original GWR coaching stock, including the multiple units, were always chocolate and cream. Only the locomotives were green.

GWR coaching stock has been choc & cream, brown, maroon, choc & cream again & then whatever they painted it in ww2 ( which was anything including black, apparently! ). Maroon might work, although it'd just look like WCRC then...

 

[Deafdoggie]

GWR green is so drab, with not even history to give it any credence. the original GWR coaching stock, including the multiple units, were always chocolate and cream. Only the locomotives were green.

Heaven forbid Britain's railways doing something new!

 

[Amlag]

It went via Tavistock heading down to Penzance.
Tamar bridge has time restrictions on abnormal loads, which pretty much restricts to overnight crossings.
Then there’s the low bridge at Trerulefoot, and very rare for an abnormal Load to gain a movement order to pass through the Glynn Valley.

I understand from a Tavistock councillor that this ‘Abnormal Load’ caused considerable traffic delays in Tavistock while the lorry carrying this railway coach tried to negotiate the several roundabouts through the centre of the town, which currently has various roadworks with traffic lights adding to traffic problems.
The Councillor is to raise the matter with the Devon & Cornwall Police, who one would hope are already on the case.

Does our Cornish /Penzance informant, or anyone else, know how many sleeper stock coaches based at
Long Rock have been moved for planned maintenance in recent months by road between Penzance and Laira and back and how many more are likely to do so in the coming months ??

 

[richw]

I understand from a Tavistock councillor that this ‘Abnormal Load’ caused considerable traffic delays in Tavistock while the lorry carrying this railway coach tried to negotiate the several roundabouts through the centre of the town, which currently has various roadworks with traffic lights adding to traffic problems.
The Councillor is to raise the matter with the Devon & Cornwall Police, who one would hope are already on the case.

Does our Cornish /Penzance informant, or anyone else, know how many sleeper stock coaches based at
Long Rock have been moved for planned maintenance in recent months by road between Penzance and Laira and back and how many more are likely to do so in the coming months ??

The abnormal load would have submitted its requirements for approval 7 days in advance. It would be subject to a movement order. Unsure if the police are Involved in the approval process of a movement order?

 

[co-tr-paul]

Out of a fleet of 20 vehicles, the 3rd has just arrived at Plymouth...... .

 

[Amlag]

The abnormal load would have submitted its requirements for approval 7 days in advance. It would be subject to a movement order. Unsure if the police are Involved in the approval process of a movement order?

When road hauliers wish to move heavy loads, this is classed as 'abnormal' (for example those with excessive length and/or a gross weight exceeding 40 tonnes). Before a haulier can move an abnormal load, they must notify and gain consent from roads authorities and from the police…in this case D&C Police as movement is in their area.

The haulier in these Laira-Penzance and vv cases via Tavistock & Sourton Okehampton, Allelys is also meant to survey the route for suitability etc, the fact that there are about 6 small roundabouts in Tavistock to negotiate which require the tractor and /or very long trailer to mount the pavements (thus causing possible damage) seems at best undesirable.

Out of a fleet of 20 vehicles, the 3rd has just arrived at Plymouth...... .

thanks but how many more are to be sent by road to Laira ?

 

[===gricer===]

When road hauliers wish to move heavy loads, this is classed as 'abnormal' (for example those with excessive length and/or a gross weight exceeding 40 tonnes). Before a haulier can move an abnormal load, they must notify and gain consent from roads authorities and from the police…in this case D&C Police as movement is in their area.

The haulier in these Laira-Penzance and vv cases via Tavistock & Sourton Okehampton, Allelys is also meant to survey the route for suitability etc, the fact that there are about 6 small roundabouts in Tavistock to negotiate which require the tractor and /or very long trailer to mount the pavements (thus causing possible damage) seems at best undesirable.



thanks but how many more are to be sent by road to Laira ?

When road hauliers wish to move heavy loads, this is classed as 'abnormal' (for example those with excessive length and/or a gross weight exceeding 40 tonnes). Before a haulier can move an abnormal load, they must notify and gain consent from roads authorities and from the police…in this case D&C Police as movement is in their area.

The haulier in these Laira-Penzance and vv cases via Tavistock & Sourton Okehampton, Allelys is also meant to survey the route for suitability etc, the fact that there are about 6 small roundabouts in Tavistock to negotiate which require the tractor and /or very long trailer to mount the pavements (thus causing possible damage) seems at best undesirable.



thanks but how many more are to be sent by road to Laira ?

17 ?

 

[IanXC]

The sleeper loco has daytime maintenance at Long Rock depot.

The 57 fleet is stretched currently with their overhaul programme under way.

Even if that prevents it, and using the day time traction retention moves isn't workable, surely a third party such as ROG could be contracted to do these movements by rail.

 

[trebor79]

Even if that prevents it, and using the day time traction retention moves isn't workable, surely a third party such as ROG could be contracted to do these movements by rail.

One assumes that's more expensive than moving by road, due to the way the rail industry is fragmented. "You want a path for loco + coach". Sure, that's £x,000 in track access charges please. Plus the costs and profit margin for ROG. Whereas on a unified system it would just be the fuel and driver costs.

 

[IanXC]

One assumes that's more expensive than moving by road, due to the way the rail industry is fragmented. "You want a path for loco + coach". Sure, that's £x,000 in track access charges please. Plus the costs and profit margin for ROG. Whereas on a unified system it would just be the fuel and driver costs.

Absolutely. If the road moves are as awkward and problematic as described I wouldn't bet on the balance here changing in the future.

 

[richw]

Absolutely. If the road moves are as awkward and problematic as described I wouldn't bet on the balance here changing in the future.

Now to me, it would be quicker to go a38 to exeter then down the a30, than cutting across Tavistock especially with the roadworks and road infrastructure at Tavistock right now.