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I'm a few weeks into a new freelance job in London, two days a week for now. I live in Bath, very close to Oldfield Park station and approx 25mins walk from Bath Spa station.

The agreed plan was for the company to pay the £67 off-peak train fare once a week, and I would travel up the night before, stay for two nights at a friends and then return to Bath. As I understood it they would also pay underground travel costs, which it turns out amounts to around £22.90 each week.

Now they seem to be worrying about the cost of this arrangement & asking me whether it would be cheaper to come in each day! I am on a low daily rate that makes it impossible for me to afford the £22.90 out of my own pocket, but I feel it is being implied that I am trying to pull the wool over their eyes & therefore it is less likely I will be kept on beyond the trial period.

I've explained that peak tickets from Bath are incredibly expensive (I believe £175 for Anytime Return).

I have found a split arrangement at Didcot for £94.30 as shown below:
anytime single bath to didcot £24.80
anytime return from didcot to paddington £56.40
off-peak single from didcot to bath £13.10

Is there anything I'm missing? Would a Network Railcard make any difference if journey was split into more singles? (ie. 1/3 discount between paddington and didcot)

My requirements are as follows:
Bath Spa (or possibly Oldfield Park which is right next to my house!) to London Paddington
Thursday and Friday each week, return each day.
Need to be at Paddington by 8.25am (20 min walk to work - start at 8.45am)
Need to leave Paddington after 6.20pm

I can't imagine there is any way that I could bring the weekly cost for two return peak time trips under the current £89.90 p/w I am paying (£67 off-peak return + £22.90 TFL total) - but I need to prove to them I have done all the research I possibly can to find something cheaper. Finding a peak return from Bath to London for £44.95 seems highly unlikely to me knowing how much trains cost nowadays. Believe me, I would *much* rather sleep in my own bed at night, and avoid the extra travel time (it takes 1.5 hours to get to work from the friends house in greater london anyway, a similar time as if I came straight from Bath each day! On the night before, it takes the 1.5 hours into paddington, then another 1.5 hours out to my friends house)

How anyone is supposed to find jobs that pay enough to cover their travel costs to work and still allow money for food and shelter is beyond me. Its quite demoralising realising you have a good education, a degree and still can't find a job that pays its way let alone is satisfying, enjoyable or allows for the slightest luxury. I have been recently diagnosed with aspergers, and I am aware that some with this issue have the disabled persons railcard, but I can't imagine there is any way I would qualify for DLA (which is what I believe is required as a criteria for obtaining the railcard).

Anyway - any creative suggestions welcome. Sorry for the verbose nature of the post - being concise isn't my forte. :)
 
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I'm a few weeks into a new freelance job in London, two days a week for now. I live in Bath, very close to Oldfield Park station and approx 25mins walk from Bath Spa station.

The agreed plan was for the company to pay the £67 off-peak train fare once a week, and I would travel up the night before, stay for two nights at a friends and then return to Bath. As I understood it they would also pay underground travel costs, which it turns out amounts to around £22.90 each week.

Now they seem to be worrying about the cost of this arrangement & asking me whether it would be cheaper to come in each day! I am on a low daily rate that makes it impossible for me to afford the £22.90 out of my own pocket, but I feel it is being implied that I am trying to pull the wool over their eyes & therefore it is less likely I will be kept on beyond the trial period.

I've explained that peak tickets from Bath are incredibly expensive (I believe £175 for Anytime Return).

I have found a split arrangement at Didcot for £94.30 as shown below:
anytime single bath to didcot £24.80
anytime return from didcot to paddington £56.40
off-peak single from didcot to bath £13.10

Is there anything I'm missing? Would a Network Railcard make any difference if journey was split into more singles? (ie. 1/3 discount between paddington and didcot)

My requirements are as follows:
Bath Spa (or possibly Oldfield Park which is right next to my house!) to London Paddington
Thursday and Friday each week, return each day.
Need to be at Paddington by 8.25am (20 min walk to work - start at 8.45am)
Need to leave Paddington after 6.20pm

I can't imagine there is any way that I could bring the weekly cost for two return peak time trips under the current £89.90 p/w I am paying (£67 off-peak return + £22.90 TFL total) - but I need to prove to them I have done all the research I possibly can to find something cheaper. Finding a peak return from Bath to London for £44.95 seems highly unlikely to me knowing how much trains cost nowadays. Believe me, I would *much* rather sleep in my own bed at night, and avoid the extra travel time (it takes 1.5 hours to get to work from the friends house in greater london anyway, a similar time as if I came straight from Bath each day! On the night before, it takes the 1.5 hours into paddington, then another 1.5 hours out to my friends house)

How anyone is supposed to find jobs that pay enough to cover their travel costs to work and still allow money for food and shelter is beyond me. Its quite demoralising realising you have a good education, a degree and still can't find a job that pays its way let alone is satisfying, enjoyable or allows for the slightest luxury. I have been recently diagnosed with aspergers, and I am aware that some with this issue have the disabled persons railcard, but I can't imagine there is any way I would qualify for DLA (which is what I believe is required as a criteria for obtaining the railcard).

Anyway - any creative suggestions welcome. Sorry for the verbose nature of the post - being concise isn't my forte. :)

Considering FGW have some of the most overcrowded trains, it won't help by offering cheaper tickets on these trains.

If I was you, I would take an early train on thursday getting to paddington for £30 ish on an ap ticket and return friday evening on the 7pm train back for around £15. Not the best timings, however it would only result in one overnight stay in london.

 

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Bear in mind that if you split at Didcot, your train must stop at Didcot.
A Network Railcard would be of no help as they aren't valid before 10am on weekdays.

I think your chances of commuting daily in peak are for under £89.90 per week are virtually none, unless you are prepared to use a loophole ticket. Even if you did, the loophole would soon be spotted and closed.

Out of interest, where abouts in London is work located and where is your friend's flat? There might be a way to reduce the TfL cost
 
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If you know what days you're going to be working in advance then you don't need the flexibility of the Off-Peak Return from Bath to London. Have you thought about travelling on the South West Trains services to London Waterloo? There are three direct trains per day in each direction, and they usually have advance fares available. Even at this late stage for travelling tomorrow evening, coming back from London on Thursday morning, you can book the journey for £34 return. If you book a couple of weeks in advance you should be able to get it for £28 or even less.
 

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If you know what days you're going to be working in advance then you don't need the flexibility of the Off-Peak Return from Bath to London. Have you thought about travelling on the South West Trains services to London Waterloo? There are three direct trains per day in each direction, and they usually have advance fares available. Even at this late stage for travelling tomorrow evening, coming back from London on Thursday morning, you can book the journey for £34 return. If you book a couple of weeks in advance you should be able to get it for £28 or even less.

First train from Bath to Salisbury is 06:02, arriving Salisbury at 07:10. This (just) connects with the 07:15, which doesn't get into Waterloo until 08:46
 

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I was suggesting the SWT option for travelling the night before, not for travelling in the morning (sorry if that was confusing).
 

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What do you typically do the other three weekdays? As in where do you go? If it's Bath, then an Oldfield Park to Bath weekly season is £13.90. This then allows you to go non-stop through Didcot on separate tickets.
 

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What do you typically do the other three weekdays? As in where do you go? If it's Bath, then an Oldfield Park to Bath weekly season is £13.90. This then allows you to go non-stop through Didcot on separate tickets.

I believe all the peak Paddington-Bath (or vice versa) trains call at Didcot anyway.

However if you hold the weekly season, you can use this much cheaper split:

Oldfield Park - Bath 7DS (£13.90)

Bath - Cholsey SDS (£24.80)
Cholsey - Slough SDR (£14.10)
Slough - London Terminals SDR (£14.90)
Cholsey - Bath SSS (£13.30)

This comes to £67.10 daily, plus the £13.90/weekly. Trains do not need to call at Cholsey, or Slough, providing you hold the Bath - Oldfield Park singleseason.

If you buy a 5-week Oldfield Park - Bath season, the weekly cost should work out around £150 for 2 days travel, i.e. £75/day.
 
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But you have to start at Oldfield Park, and not start the journey at Bath :)
 

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Lot's of Pad-BTH trains don't stop at Didcot, can you edit your post, Soil, it'll cause confusion.
 

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But you have to start at Oldfield Park, and not start the journey at Bath :)

The OP is starting at Oldfield Park.

He needs to arrive at Paddington before 08:25, which means catching the 06:43 from Bath.

He needs to depart after 18:20, which means the 18:30 from Paddington, arriving Bath Spa at 19:57.

In the morning there is no connecting train from Oldfield Park, so he would walk instead to Bath Spa. In the evening there is a train at 20:08, arriving Oldfield Park at 20:11, so he would take that.

His journey is from Oldfield Park to Paddington, he may however choose to walk between Oldfield Park and Bath Spa in one or both directions depending on the availability of trains at Oldfield Park.
 

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he may however choose to walk between Oldfield Park and Bath Spa in one or both directions depending on the availability of trains at Oldfield Park.

I don't think that this is good advice to give to someone who is new to the intricacies of ticketing, as then he wouldn't be travelling on any train for the season ticket part. This could lead to disputes over whether the 19C combination is valid
 

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In the morning there is no connecting train from Oldfield Park
There is a 0558 Oldfield Park - Bath Spa 0601, which Lull may or may not choose to use, but I don't see anything in the rules which requires the Oldfield Park - Bath Spa leg of the Oldfield Park - Paddington journey to be made on the same day as the Bath Spa - Paddington leg.

I am content with soil's advice in post #8.
 
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I don't think that this is good advice to give to someone who is new to the intricacies of ticketing, as then he wouldn't be travelling on any train for the season ticket part. This could lead to disputes over whether the 19C combination is valid

I think it's inappropriate to suggest such things to a new member, without giving any warning on what may happen.

There is certainly a reasonable chance of being made to pay for another ticket, being given a penalty fare, or threatened with police and prosecution - even if there is some technical argument that it should be permitted.
 

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I think it's inappropriate to suggest such things to a new member, without giving any warning on what may happen.

There is certainly a reasonable chance of being made to pay for another ticket, being given a penalty fare, or threatened with police and prosecution - even if there is some technical argument that it should be permitted.

The OP's proposed journey is between Oldfield Park and London, and the tickets are unambiguously valid for that purpose.

If you were concerned about sometimes starting at Bath Spa, you could instead purchase a Cholsey - Goring & Streatley 7DS at £13.60, and buy Oldfield Park - Bath Spa singles at £2 each if desired.

I'm not sure how likely the Oldfield Park - Bath Spa section is to be questioned in any case, since that's a different train from Bath - London, and the journey is in fact Oldfield Park - London
 

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Oldfield Park - Bath 7DS (£13.90)

Bath - Cholsey SDS (£24.80)
Cholsey - Slough SDR (£14.10)
Slough - London Terminals SDR (£14.90)
Cholsey - Bath SSS (£13.30)

This comes to £67.10 daily, plus the £13.90/weekly. Trains do not need to call at Cholsey, or Slough, providing you hold the Bath - Oldfield Park singleseason.

If you buy a 5-week Oldfield Park - Bath season, the weekly cost should work out around £150 for 2 days travel, i.e. £75/day.

While this split is valid under NRCoC 19c, I do not think it is going to be easy to use due to potential limited understanding of the rules by staff.
 

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While this split is valid under NRCoC 19c, I do not think it is going to be easy to use due to potential limited understanding of the rules by staff.

For new people, island is right. I am sorry for mentioning it. Have we scared him off?
 

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Considering FGW have some of the most overcrowded trains, it won't help by offering cheaper tickets on these trains.

If I was you, I would take an early train on thursday getting to paddington for £30 ish on an ap ticket and return friday evening on the 7pm train back for around £15. Not the best timings, however it would only result in one overnight stay in london.


That's a good idea - only spending one night in London would definitely be less tiring. Having said that, I can't seem to get it anywhere near the prices you mention! The best I can manage is £84 total, although I'm sure I may be missing something.

£53.50 for Thurs AM - split at Didcot (made up of £24.80 Bath-Didcot and £28.70 Didcot to London)
£40.50 for Fri PM Paddington-Bath at 19:00 or £30.50 to Bath or Oldfield Park at 19:30
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Bear in mind that if you split at Didcot, your train must stop at Didcot.
A Network Railcard would be of no help as they aren't valid before 10am on weekdays.

I think your chances of commuting daily in peak are for under £89.90 per week are virtually none, unless you are prepared to use a loophole ticket. Even if you did, the loophole would soon be spotted and closed.

Out of interest, where abouts in London is work located and where is your friend's flat? There might be a way to reduce the TfL cost

Agreed, I believe all trains from Bath stop at Didcot, but I would make sure of course. I thought the network railcard might make a difference on the return portion of a Paddington-Didcot single (probably 19:00 or 19:30)?

Work is very close to Royal Oak (so walkable from Paddington) and friends is a bus journey away from Woolwich station.
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If you know what days you're going to be working in advance then you don't need the flexibility of the Off-Peak Return from Bath to London. Have you thought about travelling on the South West Trains services to London Waterloo? There are three direct trains per day in each direction, and they usually have advance fares available. Even at this late stage for travelling tomorrow evening, coming back from London on Thursday morning, you can book the journey for £34 return. If you book a couple of weeks in advance you should be able to get it for £28 or even less.

That is certainly worth consideration - I'd previously written it off since I wanted to *reduce* my travel time if at all possible, but if I have a seat and think of something to occupy myself - I might not notice. (I'm great at losing track of time) :)

The night before I could get the 16:07 arriving Waterloo 18:49 for £18.
Friday after work I could get the 19:20 arriving Bath 21:50 for £30.50
Total of £48 (or £56.50 in first class! Woohoo!)

Food for thought - thankyou for that suggestion.
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What do you typically do the other three weekdays? As in where do you go? If it's Bath, then an Oldfield Park to Bath weekly season is £13.90. This then allows you to go non-stop through Didcot on separate tickets.

I tend not to go to Bath centre the other three days since I run a small business that requires me to visit various locations in villages around Bath by car.

However, the magical powers of this OLF-Bath weekly season are quite intriguing, if a little mysterious! I guess I'd have to read this 19c thingemy to stand a chance of being able to argue my case with staff should I be queried.
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I believe all the peak Paddington-Bath (or vice versa) trains call at Didcot anyway.

However if you hold the weekly season, you can use this much cheaper split:

Oldfield Park - Bath 7DS (£13.90)

Bath - Cholsey SDS (£24.80)
Cholsey - Slough SDR (£14.10)
Slough - London Terminals SDR (£14.90)
Cholsey - Bath SSS (£13.30)

This comes to £67.10 daily, plus the £13.90/weekly. Trains do not need to call at Cholsey, or Slough, providing you hold the Bath - Oldfield Park singleseason.

If you buy a 5-week Oldfield Park - Bath season, the weekly cost should work out around £150 for 2 days travel, i.e. £75/day.

Well this is quite intriguing & certainly worth bearing in mind.

I'm not quite sure I understand the intricacies of the 'legality' - and I acknowledge it could cause some hassle. Thankyou for putting it out there - it is definitely something I may consider in future, when I'm feeling more relaxed about the whole new job thing! At the moment I can't imagine being able to calmly defend the technicalities after a long day at work or an early start. I'd probably start crying or something equally embarrassing! :oops: <<< *is female* ...but that's not a good excuse. :D
 

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Lull, all trains to/from Bath do NOT stop at Didcot, always check the service you wish to use. I'd hate to have to charge you up ;)
 

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There are certainly savings to be made, but I think a split at Didcot is about as good as it will get unless you're prepared to do some serious research and be prepared to argue about loopholes. For example, it is possible to do this journey for around £110/week, travelling every day, but this requires using loopholes which will certainly cause hassle.

Lull says they are currently using an Off Peak Return at £67 and staying in London. The cost of this ticket could be reduced thus:
Bath-Didcot Super Off Peak Return £23.10
Didcot-London Off Peak Return £25.90 (£17.10 with Network Railcard).
Total £49 / £40.20.

This combination would mean that you couldn't use the barred fast trains in the evening peak, though you could take a stopper to Didcot and change there. There are a few fast trains (generally calling Twyford / Maidenhead) which you can use though.
 
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