Such are available in Japan, where the norm is quiet coaches, and the other coach is silent.
Absolute perfection!
Would never work here though due to the "entitled" brigade.
Such are available in Japan, where the norm is quiet coaches, and the other coach is silent.
Quiet coach or no, I join in with the conversation if it seems I'm included by default. It seems to get the message across.Some years ago I was on a GWR service in the quiet coach where someone was having a "domestic" on the phone.He got louder and louder ignoring the cries of hush from fellow passengers. Eventually he shouted down the phone "Am I being unreasonable?". The whole carriage shouted yes and he promptly shut up.
I’m confident we didn’t have quiet coaches before we had mobile phones and portable music. I think we’re stretching the definition here to things we would like them to be for.This sort of rubbish always seems to come up when quiet coaches are discussed. Just because phones and playing music are the examples specifically mentioned it doesn't mean every other type of noise is allowed.
It's almost as if certain people pretend they don't understand what the definition of the word "quiet" is.
I would guess there is practically nobody interested in a section where no phones or music is allowed but all other forms of noise are welcomed, there is however an endless supply of selfish ***** who believe they should be allowed do whatever they please at all times.
As every parent knows, children don’t have an off switch and they pretty much all become annoyed or excited with some frequency.
I’m confident we didn’t have quiet coaches before we had mobile phones and portable music. I think we’re stretching the definition here to things we would like them to be for.
Personally I would vote for the earlier suggestion of a noisy coach instead of a quiet coach.
Traveling with those people that some folk seem to think shouldn’t be allowed out of the house, young children, can be a miserable experience when it encounters folk who would prefer they didn’t exist.
As every parent knows, children don’t have an off switch and they pretty much all become annoyed or excited with some frequency.
I think most people are reasonable enough to know that children are sometimes going to be intrusive, especially very young ones. However by the same token it’s reasonable to expect the adults to make some effort to mitigate against this, one example of which would be making the effort *not* to sit in a quiet carriage if the children are likely to make a lot of noise (which not all children do). What is more annoying is when the adults make no effort at all to control things, or as can happen in many cases be noisier themselves than the children.
The absolute scourge nowadays is the increasing trend to play music or films out loud. There’s absolutely no reason to do this. If everyone did it then things would be a nightmare.
It’s a bit like dog owners who fail to control their dogs. As anyone who runs knows, it’s not uncommon to have dogs chase, jump or even snap. It’s not fair to take this out on the animal who knows no different, however the owner is a different matter entirely.
I would never sit in a quiet carriage with my young children.
There are some passengers who are going to make noise. When I travel with my young children then we are among them. I will make every effort, for example bringing toys. It is difficult for me to predict when an argument about who has which toy will emerge, and exactly how long it will take me to find a creative way to diffuse it short of whacking them upside the head which I won’t do.
I get the impression that the minority of passengers create a noise problem.
And also that a larger portion of customers may be upset by noise.
If this is the case then offering noisy customers a place of safety might be a better option.
In fact I have come to the conclusion that a proportion of them seek out the quiet areas so they can enjoy their noise without being impinged on by other noisy passengers.
The idea of a quiet coach should be what it says though. Noise from phone calls is no louder than people having loud conversations.
Conversing with the person next to you is fine as long as it's reasonably quiet.
Personally I'd rather, on long trains like Pendolinos, see a dedicated family coach where family-related noise e.g. playing stuff out loud on tablets is actively permitted, with e.g. more tables and maybe a play area. That would contain it more voluntarily, as most of this sort of nuisance is families.
It's what comes with an entitled and narcissist section of the population I`m afraid and age is no definer either. It's like asking the rest of the coach "do you want to hear my life story...You do..Well here goes".The problem is that a significant portion of the noisemakers are not the sort to abide by using a noisy coach any more than they currently stay out of the quiet coach.
In fact I have come to the conclusion that a proportion of them seek out the quiet areas so they can enjoy their noise without being impinged on by other noisy passengers.
A slipping class 37 at full blast ought to do the trick! 37405 Ystrad Mynach to Hengoed springs to mind.As for the lunks playing music on their phones out loud, or the idiots plaguing neighbours with moronic communist party tic-tac videos, I've found they're not so keen on playing things out loud if you start playing your own content besides them at whatever volume suits you.
Quiet coaches are too often populated by stressed out people, whose 'tutting', 'glancing', 'groaning' and 'moaning' irritate everybody else and not the person(s) who irritates them. I regularly travel with an autistic person who finds the behaviour of the these people far more difficult to deal with than the regular noise created by passengers.
I get the impression from reading this that people expect the "quiet" coach to be one where there is NO noise, no conversations, or anything and to be totally silent. I always understood that it was only mobile phones and listening to music/sounds without headphones that was banned.
I think the railway needs more of this kind of "house rules" signage generally. Conflict between passengers is avoided by clearly stating expectations.
For instance:
"If the reservation displays are not working, seat reservations do not apply"
"If there is a dispute on the position of the window, it should be closed"*
"Mobile telephones must not be used to make calls in the quiet coach, and all devices with speakers must be muted"
"Music, television programmes or any other audio from electronic devices must not be played out loud in any part of the train"
Etc.
* This one is common in France.
This sort of rubbish always seems to come up when quiet coaches are discussed. Just because phones and playing music are the examples specifically mentioned it doesn't mean every other type of noise is allowed.
It's almost as if certain people pretend they don't understand what the definition of the word "quiet" is.
I would guess there is practically nobody interested in a section where no phones or music is allowed but all other forms of noise are welcomed, there is however an endless supply of selfish ***** who believe they should be allowed do whatever they please at all times.
And rightly so: the inconsiderate behaviour of other people is regularly cited as a reason not to take public transport and to drive your own car instead. Quiet coaches are a little step towards providing a more competitive product in this way.
The thing is, most of the population *don’t* use trains, and a good proportion of the relatively few that do only do so because it is the most realistic way of making their journey (for example a London commute). One has to ask the question as to why most people choose not to make a journey by train, when in theory it should be a pretty attractive mode of transport.
One of the biggest turn-offs is the behaviour of others, and this is something which has got a lot worse over recent times. Quiet carriages are a relatively easy way to attempt to deal with this, compartments are another way albeit more difficult. I’m not sure that desiring a peaceful journey is living in the past, for me it’s a perfectly reasonable objective, which most of the population already get when they take the car.
The alternative is to go down the road where rail travel is a total distress purchase. We seem to be pretty well on the road to reaching that with the way the service has been wrecked in various ways since 2019. I can well see trains becoming like buses, a mode of transport which has for all my lifetime had an image problem, as well as being an irrelevance for most of the population.
I think most people are reasonable enough to know that children are sometimes going to be intrusive, especially very young ones. However by the same token it’s reasonable to expect the adults to make some effort to mitigate against this, one example of which would be making the effort *not* to sit in a quiet carriage if the children are likely to make a lot of noise (which not all children do). What is more annoying is when the adults make no effort at all to control things, or as can happen in many cases be noisier themselves than the children.
The absolute scourge nowadays is the increasing trend to play music or films out loud. There’s absolutely no reason to do this. If everyone did it then things would be a nightmare.
It’s a bit like dog owners who fail to control their dogs. As anyone who runs knows, it’s not uncommon to have dogs chase, jump or even snap. It’s not fair to take this out on the animal who knows no different, however the owner is a different matter entirely.
That’s something I’ve noticed, though I’m not sure whether it’s deliberate, or just a total lack of self-awareness. Certainly the Covid response seems to have drained away self-awareness and consideration for others from a good proportion of the population.
I’m still reeling from the mother who thought it was perfectly acceptable to let her kid have fun at the swimming pool by deliberately seeing if it could jump in on top of people as they were swimming past. Utterly unbelievable really, but about typical for the dumb zombie bubble some people seem to live in post 2020.
this!When building (or refurbishing) Quiet coaches.
1) Remove any WiFi from the Quiet coach
2) Include a fine copper mesh in the windows, and around the the ceiling/floor (behind any fascia), to create a Faraday Cage.
Although it won't stop the playing of pre-installed music, it will prevent phone calls, and video/music streaming. Anyone who needs to make/receive a call can then go into the vestibule to do so.
I remember being on a Swiss train in 2008 and my friend and I were talking very quietly to each other in what turned out to be a quiet coach. After a while we were asked by a passenger, politely, not to talk! I was quite startled because our conversation was very low key and virtually murmuring, but was also impressed at the interpretation of a quiet coach's rules. Here, it is almost universally ignored, partly, I suspect, because the signage is so pathetic and its enforcement is virtually non-existant.Increasingly not. The idea either needs to be dropped entirely or there need to be clear "house rules" displayed on what means quiet and these need to be proactively enforced by staff.
Disagree here, how are we supposed to do online work in the quiet coach without internet signal?When building (or refurbishing) Quiet coaches.
1) Remove any WiFi from the Quiet coach
2) Include a fine copper mesh in the windows, and around the the ceiling/floor (behind any fascia), to create a Faraday Cage.
Although it won't stop the playing of pre-installed music, it will prevent phone calls, and video/music streaming. Anyone who needs to make/receive a call can then go into the vestibule to do so.
I do agree that is a bit draconian. The solution is to go down the path increasingly being rolled out by the aviation industry, which blocks voice/messaging calls but allows e-mail and surfing (blocking streaming).Disagree here, how are we supposed to do online work in the quiet coach without internet signal?
The morning peak services on the Great Northern outer suburban routes are highly civilised. Anyone making a phone call risks a stare from their fellow passengers, making calls just isn't doneIt's impossible for most people to stay quiet these days so quiet coaches are a waste of time (unless it's genuinely enforced).
I'd have asked him politely rather than dismissively pointing to the sign to be fair.I'm still irritated by a 'lout'. Only me in the Quiet Coach- he gets in, gets loudly on the phone. I 'chance my arm' by pointing to the sign; response a round of invective and if I'm bothered why don't I move. A lot to be said for the quiet life, indeed life. No-one, including crew, obliged to put their life on the line.
Agree. The march of "me me me" tech plus the COVID pandemic seems to have de-socialized a significant proportion of the population who even if they do know how to behave, choose not to because they don't give 2 hoots that their antisocial behaviour might adversely impact someone else.
It's a lack of socialisation (don't know, or do know and don't care) plus shame has largely gone from our society and that has consequences.
Much as the concept of ID cards and "social credit" chills my soul, I begin to wonder if in an environment of "always on" social media addiction and immediate shameless self-gratification, the only way to maintain a consistent level of pro-social behaviour is the use of social credit. I truly hope not.
People I find tend to talk louder during phone conversations then they would in face to face conversations, perhaps because they are concerned the person on the other end will not be able hear due to poor reception unless they speak loudly. On a train, if there are two people opposite you talking, usually I find I can’t hear what they are saying, however if someone is having a phone call, I usually can.This autistic person finds the noise made by others (especially phones/Tablets on "speaker", loud one-sided phone conversations and leaky headphones) is bad, equally stressful is the lack of persons following the rules. It says "no mobile phones" so surely an adult can manage without their phone for a short time? Especially when text is an option (or going to the vestibules).
I don't think most people do, but there is a big difference between using mobile devices in a way which impacts others and silence. Unfortunately a large proportion of the population appears unable to live their life without a constant stream of noise into their ears (increasingly with speakers not earphones). Sad really, never to hear birdsong or appreciate the contemplation of the world around you due to being wrapped up in your own private world of noise.
People I find tend to talk louder during phone conversations then they would in face to face conversations, perhaps because they are concerned the person on the other end will not be able hear due to poor reception unless they speak loudly. On a train, if there are two people opposite you talking, usually I find I can’t hear what they are saying, however if someone is having a phone call, I usually can.
When a conversation is loud enough that I am able to hear what they are saying is when I find it generally becomes irritating.
DefinitelyIt doesn’t help there seems to be a correlation between the people with the loudest voices also having the most annoying voices, and also talking the most annoying inane rubbish. Again this takes us back to lack of self-awareness.
In Denmark it was pointed out to me that the quiet coach meant "no talking". My mate and I were just talking quietly and had the sign pointed out by another passenger.Quiet coaches were introduced to keep mobile phone & noise from devices to a minimum. Was nothing to do with conversation between passengers.
Personally I’d get rid of them as they are more trouble than they are worth particularly for the poor guard & onboard crew who have to police or get involved with petty quarrels.