HST coach disposals

[JKF]

Have to say I felt a bit anxious reading this part of the first post:

Scrapped:

CF Booth, Rotherham
40118

...glad it’s just a buffet coach and not a certain Tyseley-based loco!

 

[Phil Scott]

According to HSTgen, the following were sent to Sims Metals at Beeston today:
40108
44044, 44074, 44076
46016, 46017

Can’t be many 401xx or 46xxx series left now, other than those owned by LSL

 

[59CosG95]

@Phil Scott - I recall that 40109 also went for scrap at Sims Metals Newport earlier. Perhaps you missed it out?

 

[Phil Scott]

The four ScotRail coaches from Slateford moved to CF Booth today:
41140, 42287, 42289, 44037

 

[Phil Scott]

@Phil Scott - I recall that 40109 also went for scrap at Sims Metals Newport earlier. Perhaps you missed it out?

Entirely possible. Added it in. Thanks

 

[Phil Scott]

The four ScotRail coaches from Slateford moved to CF Booth today:
41140, 42287, 42289, 44037

Apparently these were diverted to Castle Donnington... no idea why

 

[43096]

Apparently these were diverted to Castle Donnington... no idea why

Perhaps “on hold” pending decision on replacing HA22?

 

[Dave91131]

Perhaps “on hold” pending decision on replacing HA22?

Path in Realtime Trains for Mon 17th Aug, 0928 ex Castle Donington to Booths.

 

[Dave91131]

@Phil Scott - I recall that 40109 also went for scrap at Sims Metals Newport earlier. Perhaps you missed it out?

Part of the consist taken to Newport on 17-03-2020 by 20311 & 20314.

 

[Phil Scott]

Can’t be many 401xx or 46xxx series left now, other than those owned by LSL

According to my records the only ones left are:
40106 owned by LSL on the SVR
40115/117 and 46008/012 stored at Long Marston
46006/014 owned by LSL at Eastleigh Works
46010 stored at Dundee

 

[Defiance149]

40115/117 and 46008/012 stored at Long Marston

46012 is at Kidderminster.

 

[cole_peter5@]

The batch of coaches that went Simm- Beeston one coaches was numbered 40108 this is was a GWR, the one that when into Simm was in EMR

 

[Defiance149]

The batch of coaches that went Simm- Beeston one coaches was numbered 40108 this is was a GWR, the one that when into Simm was in EMR

The EMT liveried one was 44044.

 

[cole_peter5@]

Thanks for the info on 40108 - EMT livery was 44044 cleared that up for me.

 

[Colby James]

What’s it doing their actually is it going to be preserved or something

 

[Colby James]

46012 is at Kidderminster.

What’s it doing is it to be preserved

 

[43096]

What’s it doing is it to be preserved

Stored for LSL.

 

[cole_peter5@]

I was wondering if anyone could help me - I'm trying to make list of all the HST Coaches that were built - and all the withdrawals dates and disposal points.
If someone could help me - say give me your email address and I could send you my wanted list. Hoping someone can help .......... Peter

Could anyone help with disposal of the following 40402 40403 40416 40434 and are the following still at Holgate Works York -- 40402 44089.

 

[cole_peter5@]

Is no one going to help me with the disposals of 40403 40416 40434 and are the following still Holgate Works 40402 44089

Can someone help I

 

[Phil Scott]

40403 - converted to TS 42518
40416 - converted to TS 42516
40434 - converted to RS 42520

I have 40402 and 44089 as still at York

 

[43096]

40403 - converted to TS 42518
40416 - converted to TS 42516
40434 - converted to RS 42520

I have 40402 and 44089 as still at York

I have 40416 as converted to 42519.

And to add to that:
42518 ex-40403 - went to Sims, Newport 21/02/2020
42519 ex-40416 - went to Sims, Newport 25/02/2020
42520 ex-40434 - went to Sims, Newport 04/03/2020

40402 and 44089 are indeed still at York.

 

[DB]

40402 and 44089 are indeed still at York.

Any idea what their intended use is?

When they were reported as arriving I had a wander around the points from where the yard can be viewerd and couldn't see them, so I assume they are (or were then) in the main shed off Holgate Road.

 

[Phil Scott]

I have 40416 as converted to 42519.

So do I... the dangers of not proof-reading your own posts!

Any idea what their intended use is?

When they were reported as arriving I had a wander around the points from where the yard can be viewerd and couldn't see them, so I assume they are (or were then) in the main shed off Holgate Road.

Maybe spares for the NMT... but that is just a guess. Are they both owned by Network Rail, or still owned by DB/Arriva?

 

[Spirit555]

Reported by a friend today that 40402 is at Weardale Railway and 40732 is at NRM Shildon.

Mark

 

[DB]

Reported by a friend today that 40402 is at Weardale Railway and 40732 is at NRM Shildon.

Mark

40732 is now part of the national collection. The NRM have that and a power car. With another power car to come. Fairly pathetic given the historical importance of the HST - a representative set should have been a given.

 

[Razor1967]

There is a HST coach parked up at the top of the Klondyke sidings in York Yard.

You can see it head on if you walk up the path to the left as you enter Holgate Park Drive. When you get to the top of the embankment it is visible on the left, has been parked up there for a good few months now. Not sure what it is doing there but sadly it has been "tagged" by the graffiti "artists".

From memory it is painted black.

 

[cjmillsnun]

40732 is now part of the national collection. The NRM have that and a power car. With another power car to come. Fairly pathetic given the historical importance of the HST - a representative set should have been a given.

Where would they put a full set? That’s a minimum of 7 23m Mk3s and two power cars at the best part of 18m each. That’s close to 200m

One could argue that the 4CIG/4VEP were just as important. They formed the backbone of commuter services from the south into London for 46 years. Yet no full set is in the national collection.

 

[DB]

Where would they put a full set? That’s a minimum of 7 23m Mk3s and two power cars at the best part of 18m each. That’s close to 200m

One could argue that the 4CIG/4VEP were just as important. They formed the backbone of commuter services from the south into London for 46 years. Yet no full set is in the national collection.

I didn't say full, I said repesentative - e.g. one of each main vehicle type, TGS/TS/TRFB/TF as a minimum. That would then have given the option of running it as a working train in future if they ever wanted to. Two power cars and a buffet are only ever of use as static exhibits.

4CIG/4VEP are not as important as they don't demonstrate a major technologicial achievement int he way the HST does, although I don't disagree that it would have been good to see a full set preserved.

Warehouse space isn't that expensive - they could easily have a larger reserve collection if they chose to, as many other museums do have.

 

[cjmillsnun]

Warehouse space may not be expensive and the science museum (who own the NRM) do have warehouseing. However it is dead money in that there is no revenue from it and would be more expensive than most as it would require rails inside and point work outside for shunting along with either a railhead connection or a suitable road connection as road clearances can be tight at the end of the day this is a charity that offers free admission and funds aren’t unlimited and also unlike other museums whose exhibits tend to be smaller, the amount of warehousing required would be vast which would significantly add to the cost.

As far as a running exhibit for railtours, I believe that a charter company would be better placed to do this. LSL has a full rake along with power cars and the 125 group also has a pair of power cars and no doubt will acquire coaches.

 

[43096]

Where would they put a full set? That’s a minimum of 7 23m Mk3s and two power cars at the best part of 18m each. That’s close to 200m

One could argue that the 4CIG/4VEP were just as important. They formed the backbone of commuter services from the south into London for 46 years. Yet no full set is in the national collection.

The original intent of the NRM was to take a full set, and a complete set was designated many years ago (no specific numbers). When it came to it they’ve taken one buffet and two power cars which is somewhat at odds with the intent. Evidently they’d done little thought about how they might go about it.