Hulley's of Baslow

[LazyGuy222]

There are late-notice service changes coming in on 12th January.

I'm unsure what else this entails, but it's confirmed the Sunday 257c service will be withdrawn. I imagine other services will be involved, most likely in an attempt to save the company.

Is the 257c fully gone or likely to be taken over by another company?

 

[mayneway]

I'd rather people read it for themselves. I've not yet seen where it was originally posted ..Let me say, it explains a lot about what has had to happen.

Why the secrecy?
Where was it originally posted?
I’ve checked their Facebook page, twitter page, done some random google searches and can’t find any statement other than the increase of fares from £2 to £3 statement.

 

[Goldfish62]

For those who are not aware. The owner of Hulleys has issued a statement to quell speculation as to what is happening.

Surely "... In an attempt to quell speculation..."

 

[mayneway]

Surely "... In an attempt to quell speculation..."

Only nobody can find or read said statement.

 

[liamf656]

Only nobody can find or read said statement.

The statement was issued to staff members at Hulleys

 

[derbybusdepot]

The statement was issued to staff members at Hulleys

Who in fairness are the only ones who need to know, and should find out about such matters first. The other dodgy screenshot of the Go coach email shouldn't really be spread on an internet forum - it clearly shouldn't have been put out there for all to read, hence why there was not and has not been any announcements on either companies official platforms.

All it does is create extra work for operators, and does not help build good relations between operators and enthusiasts, who in general have an interest and support the industry as a whole.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Who in fairness are the only ones who need to know, and should find out about such matters first. The other dodgy screenshot of the Go coach email shouldn't really be spread on an internet forum - it clearly shouldn't have been put out there for all to read, hence why there was not and has not been any announcements on either companies official platforms.

All it does is create extra work for operators, and does not help build good relations between operators and enthusiasts, who in general have an interest and support the industry as a whole.

Absolutely this.

The staff should be the priority and the management should manage whatever is happening without external involvement or overly intrusive speculation!

 

[Mr Manager]

The statement was issued to staff members at Hulleys

I have 2 very good friends who are full time and part time respectively and they know nothing about an internal letter to all staff.

 

[Trainman40083]

Who in fairness are the only ones who need to know, and should find out about such matters first. The other dodgy screenshot of the Go coach email shouldn't really be spread on an internet forum - it clearly shouldn't have been put out there for all to read, hence why there was not and has not been any announcements on either companies official platforms.

All it does is create extra work for operators, and does not help build good relations between operators and enthusiasts, who in general have an interest and support the industry as a whole.

Exactly that. At the end of the day, the owner a and staff are the priority. It affects them the most.

 

[Goldfish62]

The other dodgy screenshot of the Go coach email shouldn't really be spread on an internet forum - it clearly shouldn't have been put out there for all to read, hence why there was not and has not been any announcements on either companies official platforms.

Given it's been posted widely on social media anyway it hardly makes a difference whether it was posted here or not.

 

[CBlue]

Who in fairness are the only ones who need to know, and should find out about such matters first. The other dodgy screenshot of the Go coach email shouldn't really be spread on an internet forum - it clearly shouldn't have been put out there for all to read, hence why there was not and has not been any announcements on either companies official platforms.

All it does is create extra work for operators, and does not help build good relations between operators and enthusiasts, who in general have an interest and support the industry as a whole.

Absolutely this.

The staff should be the priority and the management should manage whatever is happening without external involvement or overly intrusive speculation!

Generally most employers see sharing of internal comms in a public space or on social media as gross misconduct. It certainly is at my employer especially when news of a sensitive nature is involved.

Enthusiasts don't have a "right" to know any more than any other member of the public about internal goings-on. It also doesn't help if any of the speculation is driven by petty tribalism as we sometimes see in some posts.....

 

[Killingworth]

I have 2 very good friends who are full time and part time respectively and they know nothing about an internal letter to all staff.

All staff at Go Coach may have had a letter, but seems Hulleys' may not yet have had a different letter? It may, or may not, be significant that Matthew Smales became Director of Operations on 7th November, moving up from General Manager.

Speculation. Will the former Hulley's cream livery be restored instead of Go Coaches yellow?

 

[mangad]

Speculation. Will the former Hulley's cream livery be restored instead of Go Coaches yellow?

What, and ditch the logo they've appropriated from Television South West?

 

[Killingworth]

What, and ditch the logo they've appropriated from Television South West?

Hopefully.

 

[SLC001]

Don't we love speculation!
Anything that is sent by email to employees has to be considered to be in the public domain whatever the company's policy is. This often explains why employees are the last to hear about problems at a company as such correspondence would spook suppliers, creditors etc. and wreck any chance of a controlled wind down of the company. I reiterate, I have no idea what is happening at Hulleys (for whom I have a great deal of affection) or at First, Arriva or..... Running any type of business at present is difficult and I wish Hulleys well.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Don't we love speculation!
Anything that is sent by email to employees has to be considered to be in the public domain whatever the company's policy is. This often explains why employees are the last to hear about problems at a company as such correspondence would spook suppliers, creditors etc. and wreck any chance of a controlled wind down of the company. I reiterate, I have no idea what is happening at Hulleys (for whom I have a great deal of affection) or at First, Arriva or..... Running any type of business at present is difficult and I wish Hulleys well.

It absolutely isn't. It can still be classed as gross misconduct.

 

[overthewater]

Is all this speculation because someone has complained their are using OLD 1980s TV logo for the company,

 

[Killingworth]

It absolutely is't. It can still be classed as gross misconduct.

Absolutely, but the fact that any employee could spill the beans means specifics are kept very tightly controlled until the last possible minute. Once news of a major event gets out it's like putting toothpaste back in the tube. No gross misconduct hearing would put it back.

There's enough publicly visible from Companies House to indicate major changes are occurring, but not what they add up to.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Absolutely, but the fact that any employee could spill the beans means specifics are kept very tightly controlled until the last possible minute. Once news of a major event gets out it's like putting toothpaste back in the tube. No gross misconduct hearing would put it back.

There's enough publicly visible from Companies House to indicate major changes are occurring, but not what they add up to.

Very definitely - I've been on both sides of the fence. And yes, you can see the tectonic plates shifting but not necessarily what's happening e.g. all the HR team are spirited away, project specific non-disclosure agreements signed etc so you KNOW something is afoot.

In this instance, there are clearly things being undertaken but how this ends, we will have to wait. Certainly, sharing screengrabs and grainy photos on here is clearly not advisable even if they're being shared on other sites.

 

[MotCO]

Absolutely, but the fact that any employee could spill the beans means specifics are kept very tightly controlled until the last possible minute.

Maybe such information is finance - sensitive which may affect financial reporting laws and regulations.

 

[Killingworth]

Maybe such information is finance - sensitive which may affect financial reporting laws and regulations.

Employment legislation advice and notice periods more likely if redundancies and/or TUPEs are involved.

 

[Trainman40083]

Very definitely - I've been on both sides of the fence. And yes, you can see the tectonic plates shifting but not necessarily what's happening e.g. all the HR team are spirited away, project specific non-disclosure agreements signed etc so you KNOW something is afoot.

In this instance, there are clearly things being undertaken but how this ends, we will have to wait. Certainly, sharing screengrabs and grainy photos on here is clearly not advisable even if they're being shared on other sites.

I've known companies, concerned about who is leaking sensitive information issue staff with what appears.to.be a standard letter. But each had a unique code on, that linked to an employee

 

[Killingworth]

I've known companies, concerned about who is leaking sensitive information issue staff with what appears.to.be a standard letter. But each had a unique code on, that linked to an employee

Some time ago on a Sunday I was out on a Peak District walk with office colleagues including our senior manager. All very light hearted and great camaraderie, the aim for the day. On Monday morning we were all summoned to a series of well separated meetings. 2/3 were told they were to be TUPE'd, the other 1/3 that they were in danger of redundancy, both subject to approprate notice periods.

We had a big party, goodbyes were said, newer entrants were quick into the job market, as were some others with marketable skills who didn't wait for redundancy money. Consequently when it was all called off a week before the advised date I'd say at least 10% left anyway - including our boss who'd been sworn to secrecy when he came on the walk. What a mess!

There's no easy way to arrange a restructuring to comply with financial and employment legislation as well being kind and considerate to employees, suppliers and customers.

 

[Trainman40083]

Some time ago on a Sunday I was out on a Peak District walk with office colleagues including our senior manager. All very light hearted and great camaraderie, the aim for the day. On Monday morning we were all summoned to a series of well separated meetings. 2/3 were told they were to be TUPE'd, the other 1/3 that they were in danger of redundancy, both subject to approprate notice periods.

We had a big party, goodbyes were said, newer entrants were quick into the job market, as were some others with marketable skills who didn't wait for redundancy money. Consequently when it was all called off a week before the advised date I'd say at least 10% left anyway - including our boss who'd been sworn to secrecy when he came on the walk. What a mess!

There's no easy way to arrange a restructuring to comply with financial and employment legislation as well being kind and considerate to employees, suppliers and customers.

When I was in business, managers, employees, suppliers and customers were like a finely tuned machine. All in harmony with a common goal.

 

[mayneway]

The statement was issued to staff members at Hulleys

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[Killingworth]

When I was in business, managers, employees, suppliers and customers were like a finely tuned machine. All in harmony with a common goal.

Absolutely, the ideal situation to be maintained as long as possible. Until the figures don't add up and something has to be done that's going to cause pain to who knows who.

In our case those not being TUPE'd were ecstatic. Those who saw their redundancy package withdrawn fell into two camps, those who'd already applied for new jobs and/or decided how to spend it and those who were glad they could carry on as normal. Until their jobs were restructured in a way that may have attracted the same money but was a lot less satisfying. Most had left a year later.

I feel for the relatively small numbers who may be wondering what's to happen with Hulleys. I hope it turns out well for employees, suppliers, passengers and the management.

 

[Hyebone]

Apologies if I’ve misread somewhere, but was it mentioned that all 5 Enviro200 MMCs went back to the leasing company? I’ve just seen 7532 on New Beetwell Street

 

[Mwanesh]

Absolutely, the ideal situation to be maintained as long as possible. Until the figures don't add up and something has to be done that's going to cause pain to who knows who.

In our case those not being TUPE'd were ecstatic. Those who saw their redundancy package withdrawn fell into two camps, those who'd already applied for new jobs and/or decided how to spend it and those who were glad they could carry on as normal. Until their jobs were restructured in a way that may have attracted the same money but was a lot less satisfying. Most had left a year later.

I feel for the relatively small numbers who may be wondering what's to happen with Hulleys. I hope it turns out well for employees, suppliers, passengers and the management.

Totally agree but most managers in the bus industry dont give a toss.I remember one time a depot was closing they wanted to wait for the consultation to start but word leaked out when manager suddenly left .He spilled the beans and we all left en mass

 

[Tetchytyke]

Totally agree but most managers in the bus industry dont give a toss.

If only life were that black and white.

I've been on both sides of the fence and it's tough as a manager. You want to tell your staff what you know so that they are informed, but you also know that you can't tell your staff everything. With redundancy there are legal obligations to consult, for instance, and it can cause all sorts of issues if you don't follow the legal requirements.

Thankfully I've never had to manage a redundancy situation but in one job I knew we were 48 hours from having to issue the statutory notices. Thankfully a grant came in, otherwise... Obviously I couldn't tell my staff that.

 

[zkyx02]

Apologies if I’ve misread somewhere, but was it mentioned that all 5 Enviro200 MMCs went back to the leasing company? I’ve just seen 7532 on New Beetwell Street

They are leaving, 2 have gone already but I assume if all 5 were to leave at same time it’d leave them rather short.