Yikes, hope everyone's ok, would have been quite an impact and particularly felt if that was an arriving service train with standees waiting to alight.
Although they possibly caused the front coach to derail, it does, on the face of it, at least look like the buffer stops did their job in terms of stopping any damage to the station building behind it.
Hopefully it was low speed, although to lift that much perhaps not. I wonder if TPWS is installed there?
I wonder if this is adhesion related. There have been similar incidents in the past when trains have arrived normally and then being unable to stop due to poor rail adhesion conditions.
Firefighters were called to a derailed train at Enfield Town Railway Station this morning.
An eight carriage passenger train derailed after hitting buffers at the station.
Around 50 people were evacuated from the train before the Brigade arrived by TfL and station staff. Two people were treated for minor injuries by London Ambulance Service crews.
Station Commander Jim O’Neill, who was at the scene, said: “The train had hit the buffers at the station, which is at the end of the line, and gone up over the top of them.
“Firefighters carried out a systematic search of the train to ensure there were no further people on board.
“Crews assisted station staff to make the scene safe and a recovery operation will now b e carried out.”
The Brigade was called at 0827 and the incident was over for firefighters by 0930. Three fire engines and two fire rescue units were in attendance.
Would indeed be the right time of the year. Don't know if the route is known for it.
Firefighters were called to a derailed train at Enfield Town Railway Station this morning.
An eight carriage passenger train derailed after hitting buffers at the station.
Around 50 people were evacuated from the train before the Brigade arrived by TfL and station staff. Two people were treated for minor injuries by London Ambulance Service crews.
Station Commander Jim O’Neill, who was at the scene, said: “The train had hit the buffers at the station, which is at the end of the line, and gone up over the top of them.
“Firefighters carried out a systematic search of the train to ensure there were no further people on board.
“Crews assisted station staff to make the scene safe and a recovery operation will now b e carried out.”
The Brigade was called at 0827 and the incident was over for firefighters by 0930. Three fire engines and two fire rescue units were in attendance.
That good to know. They’re going to be feeling pretty glum I expect while this is investigated. RAiB attending.Driver is fine from what i heard from a collegue at control just a few scrapes
Old style buffers bolted directly to the web of the rail, hence ripping the rail up with the buffers as they tilted.London Fire Brigade have tweeted some pictures, looks like the buffers tilted back, but the sleepers fell or dropped off.
Well both track defect and equipment failure would be classed as an operating incident for service status anyway, it's pretty much a catch-all for "railway broke/did something wrong"On TfL website it describes it as an Operating Incident, does that rule out customer incident, track defect, equipment failure etc.
Just wondered how they are publish the type of incident ahead of a RAIB investigation as it would appear to suggest certain possibilities have already been ruled out.
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On TfL website it describes it as an Operating Incident, does that rule out customer incident, track defect, equipment failure etc.
Just wondered how they are publish the type of incident ahead of a RAIB investigation as it would appear to suggest certain possibilities have already been ruled out.
Doesn’t there have to be at all passenger stations with buffer stops? I can’t think of any that I know without them.Any TPWS overspeed at that location?
Indeed and with a passenger concourse in front of the buffers be interesting to see the risk assessment for that one that says it was fine to leave them. If there isn't anything untoward with the train braking system RAIB may well just say we've identified this risk from previous investigations and recommendations have been made to the infrastructure operator and just issue a safety digest. That would put the ball in ORR's court about what level of compliance checks they've done and what NR has previously told them about levels of compliance.Old style buffers bolted directly to the web of the rail, hence ripping the rail up with the buffers as they tilted.
RAIB report (or bulletin as potentially no new learnings) will probably have some thing to say about progress (or lack of) on retrofitting modern friction buffers and lack of over run distance (has featured in plenty of previous reports)
I would hope so, my gut feeling is railhead contamination of some kind but we will see.Doesn’t there have to be at all passenger stations with buffer stops? I can’t think of any that I know without them.
Doesn’t there have to be at all passenger stations with buffer stops? I can’t think of any that I know without them.
TPWS still doesn't prevent all such accidents. It only catches speeds above 12mph (roughly) on approach to buffers. A collision at that speed can still be pretty serious.Any TPWS overspeed at that location?
Absolutely not.
That train is several coaches long. The rails and the wheels would have to be entirely made of black ice for that train to be unable to stop.
Trains were pulling in and out of that platform all morning with no problems.
Nor can TPWS stop a train that is still moving but the wheels aren't rotating. (Not saying that's what happened here, just a limitation of relying on TPWS).TPWS still doesn't prevent all such accidents. It only catches speeds above 12mph (roughly) on approach to buffers. A collision at that speed can still be pretty serious.
It also doesn't stop trains that are going too fast to stop, or that speed up after passing the grids.