Intruders getting stabbed

[Seacook]

I have heard that if somebody is on your top floor then you may kill them outright, though I stress that I am not sure of this.

I really don't believe this is likely. What if you live in a flat or a bungalow? Could you kill someone who was in your attic but not if the intruder was in your bedroom? Would this apply if you were in a hotel room? How far down the stairs would the killing zone extend? [These are all rhetorical questions.]

I can't see any legislation differentiating based on the storey.

 

[AlexS]

It's all a much of a muchness really. If someone chooses to break and enter into someone's house with the intention of stealing their possessions they should have completed a risk assessment that states 'They might kill me'. If you come into my house, with a knife, and threaten me, it's entirely likely that I will attempt to stick it in you before you stick it in me if I deem it appropriate, and hey, there's a reasonable chance you'll be dead afterwards.

Do they really have the right to expect they might not be killed for it?

I don't have any particular regard for the lives or wellbeing of criminals and if their own stupidity takes a few off them out of the equation then all the better.

 

[Get-Pulled-Off]

I really don't believe this is likely. What if you live in a flat or a bungalow? Could you kill someone who was in your attic but not if the intruder was in your bedroom? Would this apply if you were in a hotel room? How far down the stairs would the killing zone extend? [These are all rhetorical questions.]

I can't see any legislation differentiating based on the storey.

You're right not to believe it, because of course there is no law. But there is a grain of truth in what the poster was getting at. The courts have always allowed an even looser definition of reasonable force when an intruder was upstairs. The reasoning being is it would be entirely understandable for the homeowner to believe that the reason for the intruder's presence is likely to be more than just theft, or that the theft is likely to involve violence, if the intruder was upstairs. The reasoning being, of course, that should an intruder come upstairs he is expecting to confront the homeowner, rather than sneaking around downstairs.

 

[Kneedown]

I once soaked a theif after i caught him mid attempt trying to nick my Landrover. I simply drenched him with the hose pipe. Someone on here accused me of being a "little excessive" for doing so.

Yes but it WAS petrol you soaked him with......followed by a lighted match!

Sorry, couldn't resist that!

My own opinion is that if someone enters your house unlawfully, then they leave their human rights at the door and the householder should be immune from any prosecution.
It is not always possible for a trained law enforcement officer to accurately gauge the threat in the split second you have to act, let alone an untrained civvy, and no one can say with any accuracy how they would react if suddenly confronted with that situation. Even the most mild mannered person may lash out with, or indeed without a weapon, and potentially kill the intruder.
The Law should always be on the side of the householder irrespective of the outcome for the intruder as they didn't choose to be put in that situation in the first place.

 

[Bungle73]

Yes but it WAS petrol you soaked him with......followed by a lighted match!

Sorry, couldn't resist that!

My own opinion is that if someone enters your house unlawfully, then they leave their human rights at the door and the householder should be immune from any prosecution.
It is not always possible for a trained law enforcement officer to accurately gauge the threat in the split second you have to act, let alone an untrained civvy, and no one can say with any accuracy how they would react if suddenly confronted with that situation. Even the most mild mannered person may lash out with, or indeed without a weapon, and potentially kill the intruder.
The Law should always be on the side of the householder irrespective of the outcome for the intruder as they didn't choose to be put in that situation in the first place.

The law is designed to prevent people from taking the law into their own hands, or becoming vigilantes. It's also there to protect innocents as well.

 

[ainsworth74]

It's also there to protect innocents as well.

Sorry but how is someone who has broken into your house an 'innocent' exactly?

 

[Bungle73]

Sorry but how is someone who has broken into your house an 'innocent' exactly?

There's any number of reasons someone might be inside your house for reasons other than burglary. It happens all the time.

 

[AlterEgo]

I think people misunderstand the difference between killing someone just because they're stealing your things, and acting swiftly in self defence because you're in genuine fear for your own life.

I like to think I would tackle an intruder if the other option was potentially getting killed myself!

 

[ainsworth74]

There's any number of reasons someone might be inside your house for reasons other than burglary.

Such as...

 

[Bungle73]

Such as...

Off the top of my head, someone's drunk and they enter the wrong house. There's other ones too, which I can't recall right now (terrible memory).

 

[Kneedown]

Off the top of my head, someone's drunk and they enter the wrong house. There's other ones too, which I can't recall right now (terrible memory).

So you're off your head after a night on the sauce, wonder why the key won't fit in the lock, then think "I know, i'll climb over the side gate that i don't have at my house, trip over the garden gnome that i don't remember buying from Wyvale Garden Centre, and open the back window with the screwdriver i just happen to have in my pocket.......... Easy mistake to make i suppose! :roll: :roll: :roll:

 

[strange6]

So you're off your head after a night on the sauce, wonder why the key won't fit in the lock, then think "I know, i'll climb over the side gate that i don't have at my house, trip over the garden gnome that i don't remember buying from Wyvale Garden Centre, and open the back window with the screwdriver i just happen to have in my pocket.......... Easy mistake to make i suppose! :roll: :roll: :roll:

LOL The do-gooders will come up with any old fanny to justify their silly justifications.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

LOL The do-gooders will come up with any old fanny to justify their silly justifications.

And unfortunately the right wingers are sometimes unable to put forward a coherent argument without resorting to insults and belittlements.


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[Bungle73]

So you're off your head after a night on the sauce, wonder why the key won't fit in the lock, then think "I know, i'll climb over the side gate that i don't have at my house, trip over the garden gnome that i don't remember buying from Wyvale Garden Centre, and open the back window with the screwdriver i just happen to have in my pocket.......... Easy mistake to make i suppose! :roll: :roll: :roll:

Happens all the time: http://www.google.co.uk/#sclient=ps...gc.r_pw.&fp=3f31fbf49cc94e2d&biw=1260&bih=759

LOL The do-gooders will come up with any old fanny to justify their silly justifications.

Is that aimed at me or what?

Fact is situations have occurred where someone has been in someone else's house and they haven't been a burglar. FACT!

 

[GB]

There was a british case a few months ago where a drunk decided to enter and sleep in someone elses house.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/-drunk-intruder-found-on-family’s-floor-.html

 

[strange6]

Fact is situations have occurred where someone has been in someone else's house and they haven't been a burglar. FACT!

Sorry for offending you but that's my opinion. Drunk or not drunk, you deserve the consequences.

 

[Bungle73]

If it's a fact then please send proof

I just gave you proof.

 

[Kneedown]

Fact is situations have occurred where someone has been in someone else's house and they haven't been a burglar. FACT!

And by the time you've pondered and considered that fact you may well be lying on your kitchen floor with a knife in your chest while the intruder is on his way upstairs looking for your wife and kids, may God forbid!

 

[90019]

Drunk or not drunk, you deserve the consequences.

So, you come home, find an intruder sitting watching your TV.
Would you attack them because they 'deserve the consequences' for being in your house?

 

[strange6]

And unfortunately the right wingers are sometimes unable to put forward a coherent argument without resorting to insults and belittlements.


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Who's argueing? That's my opinion! Like it or lump it; i don't care. No matter what I say you'll always find some reason for argueing the toss.

 

[GB]

You can't go around plunging a knife into someone on the basis of "what ifs".

 

[strange6]

So, you come home, find an intruder sitting watching your TV.
Would you attack them because they 'deserve the consequences' for being in your house?

It's not about what i would do but if they got attacked then they would only have themselves to blame. Makes perfect sense to me.
You might not like my opinions but there they are. Like it or not.

 

[90019]

It's not about what i would do but if they got attacked then they would only have themselves to blame. Makes perfect sense to me.

In which case, it would be an unprovoked attack, so you would be facing a charge of either assault or, depending how far you went with it, murder.

 

[Kneedown]

And unfortunately the right wingers are sometimes unable to put forward a coherent argument without resorting to insults and belittlements.


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Speaking as an unashamed right winger, i've certainly never resorted to insults, and on occasions where my point has been misinterpreted have always apologised and attempted to clarify matters.

 

[strange6]

In which case, it would be an unprovoked attack, so you would be facing a charge of either assault, attempted murder, or depending how far you went with it, murder.

No skin off my nose. Like I said, I'm not speaking as to what I would do. What I am saying is that if you do find yourself in such a situation then don't be surprised if you get attacked.
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Speaking as an unashamed right winger, i've certainly never resorted to insults, and on occasions where my point has been misinterpreted have always apologised and attempted to clarify matters.

Just laugh it off, Kneedown. Certain people on this forum will argue about anything. They have a reputation for it but I suppose that's what makes these forums so good.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

As a right-winger myself I found the comment a bit inappropriate.

 

[90019]

What I am saying is that if you do find yourself in such a situation then don't be surprised if you get attacked.

If they're not threatening you, you have no justification to attack them, it's that simple. You can't just attack people on a 'what if'.
It's all very well saying 'they were on my property', but it's still an unprovoked attack, so you will be the one facing prosecution, and rightly so.

 

[strange6]

If they're not threatening you, you have no justification to attack them, it's that simple. You can't just attack people on a 'what if'.
It's all very well saying 'they were on my property', but it's still an unprovoked attack, so you will be the one facing prosecution, and rightly so.

Have I ever argued against what you say? As you well know, in today's society you can very well find yourself in somebodies house who is a crime kingpin. Like I say, don't be surprised if you find yourself with a knife in the gut, justified or not. But if you're stupid enough to be in that situation, in my opinion, you deserve what you get.
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As a right-winger myself I found the comment a bit inappropriate.

lol You don't agree with it in other words. fair enough.

 

[Kneedown]

If they're not threatening you, you have no justification to attack them, it's that simple. You can't just attack people on a 'what if'.
It's all very well saying 'they were on my property', but it's still an unprovoked attack, so you will be the one facing prosecution, and rightly so.

There is a difference between being "On someones property" and "In someones property, loading hard earned goodies into a bag"
Sadly, these days the detection rates for burglaries are very low. When i was in the Police a lot of the time we were told to screen out burglaries as undetected on the same day with little investigation, if there were no immediate leads. Even if a burglar was caught and convicted the sentences were, and still are, pitiful.
The law has failed the householder and the honest person in general.

 

[GB]

But thats what home insurance is for isnt it?

I really don't see the point in putting yourself in harms way just to save some possessions that in all likeness can be replaced. Defending yourself or your family from death or injury then fair enough, but you won't be helping your family by having a 9" blade in your chest becuase you were trying to stop someone making off with your TV.