Is this what the country's youth is coming to?

[SS4]

Another terrifying offence was committed by Ascot and revealed by Ivo : but no one has yet named and shamed the worst offender, Heinz57 the OP, has commited in the thread title : 'Is this what the countries youth is coming to?'

countries ?

If we can't even get our case declensions right, then worrying about sexual offences is surely missing the point about the severity of our degenerative society!

If I may quote myself from post 13 (admittedly an edit)

edit: I like the irony of using countries instead of country's in the title (plus there is no "a" in different)

 

[Heinz57]

Course its increasing, there is a lot of evidence that there are more and more under age teenage mothers. And well I think the girl in this article is lucky she hasn't become one of them.

There is plenty of evidence from sources other than The Sun that show the increase.

edit: I like the irony of using countries instead of country's in the title (plus there is no "a" in different)

Sorry that was just a spelling mistake

 

[DaveNewcastle]

If I may quote myself from post 13 (admittedly an edit)

Indeed. I'm sorry. I do appear to have missed your earlier shock-horror-report of the country's social scandal of incompetant declension.

Its has almost reached the same miserable depths of incompetence as journalism, railway operation, dietary awareness and sexual education. What chance is there for the youth of tomorrow? (As if this concern hasn't been debated vigourously by every generation through recorded time.)

 

[ainsworth74]

Course its increasing, there is a lot of evidence that there are more and more under age teenage mothers. And well I think the girl in this article is lucky she hasn't become one of them.

There is plenty of evidence from sources other than The Sun that show the increase.

There are? The BBC (I would assume most here consider it to be a more reliable source than The Sun) reported recently that teenage pregnancy rates are at their lowest since 1969 and fell by 9.5% between 2009 and 2010. You can see the article here. The Telegraph (again I would assume considered to be more reliable than The Sun) also reported the same decline as you can see here.

So what are these other sources with plenty of evidence and what makes them more authoritative than the ONS (who are the basis for the figures reported in the above articles)?

(As if this concern hasn't been debated vigourously by every generation through recorded time.)

Quite! I studied a module at uni a few years ago called "Consumer Cultures - Britain and America in the 1950s". As a part of that module I had to consult some magazines from the time and one or two contained articles that made it clear that the writer feared for the future of the nation that the youth of the day were layabouts, drug addled and that they boarded on being a danger to society at large! I had to double check that I was in fact reading a magazine from the fifties not from that week (though the adverts for cigarettes should have been a clue ).

 

[NSEFAN]

There are? The BBC (I would assume most here consider it to be a more reliable source than The Sun) reported recently that teenage pregnancy rates are at their lowest since 1969 and fell by 9.5% between 2009 and 2010. You can see the article here. The Telegraph (again I would assume considered to be more reliable than The Sun) also reported the same decline as you can see here.

So what are these other sources with plenty of evidence and what makes them more authoritative than the ONS (who are the basis for the figures reported in the above articles)?

The safest thing to do is to go to the original source for information. Even the best news outlets aren't immune from reporting rubbish, as the MMR scare demonstrated. :roll:

That said, I've also never seen anything to suggest that teenage pregnancies are increasing, other than the frantic words of concerned tabloids.

Quite! I studied a module at uni a few years ago called "Consumer Cultures - Britain and America in the 1950s". As a part of that module I had to consult some magazines from the time and one or two contained articles that made it clear that the writer feared for the future of the nation that the youth of the day were layabouts, drug addled and that they boarded on being a danger to society at large! I had to double check that I was in fact reading a magazine from the fifties not from that week (though the adverts for cigarettes should have been a clue ).

My grandmother used to be a teacher, so I've heard plenty of tales about the particularly nasty students she had to deal with. One of them had a career plan consisting entirely of "I'm going to rape women." He became a father at the age of 15. This was in the late 1950s!

I'm too young to remember those days, so I cannot say what it was like from experience. I find however that once you scrape away the rose-tinted "good-old-days" tales and look at plain descriptions of how people used to live, you quickly realise that things weren't quite so pretty!

Out of interest, did any of those magazines you studied have anything to say about socialism and communism?

 

[All Line Rover]

Quite! I studied a module at uni a few years ago called "Consumer Cultures - Britain and America in the 1950s". As a part of that module I had to consult some magazines from the time and one or two contained articles that made it clear that the writer feared for the future of the nation that the youth of the day were layabouts, drug addled and that they boarded on being a danger to society at large! I had to double check that I was in fact reading a magazine from the fifties not from that week (though the adverts for cigarettes should have been a clue ).

How ironic. :roll: Clearly the '50s were hunky dory.

 

[DaveNewcastle]

. . . . I had to consult some magazines from the time and one or two contained articles that made it clear that the writer feared for the future of the nation that the youth of the day were layabouts, drug addled and that they boarded on being a danger to society at large! I had to double check that I was in fact reading a magazine from the fifties . . . .

I think you might well have come to the same conclusions if you had been reading some pre-enlightenment commentators (e.g. John Donne) or even ancient Greek moralists.

 

[ainsworth74]

The safest thing to do is to go to the original source for information.

Here we are! Clicking on the PDF link will take you to a bewildering away of tables and other statistics about conception rates and whatnot (it also informed me that Middlesbrough just down the road has the second highest rate of pregnancies in under-18s *sigh*).

Out of interest, did any of those magazines you studied have anything to say about socialism and communism?

Almost certainly but those magazines were read several years ago (and many other books/journals/letters/magazines ago) and unfortunately I don't remember much else about them, sorry

I think you might well have come to the same conclusions if you had been reading some pre-enlightenment commentators (e.g. John Donne) or even ancient Greek moralists.

I'm sure I would have. I've never bought into the whole 'young people today are the worst ever' line of thought.

 

[Ivo]

Here we are! Clicking on the PDF link will take you to a bewildering away of tables and other statistics about conception rates and whatnot (it also informed me that Middlesbrough just down the road has the second highest rate of pregnancies in under-18s *sigh*).

I'd be more worried about it saying Middlesborough

According to that the old seaside stereotype is a load of rubbish. We even had the police round to warn us about the dangers of underage activity, and they told us that Southend had the highest rate in Western Europe! And this was at a single-sex grammar school...

 

[AlterEgo]

Another terrifying offence was committed by Ascot and revealed by Ivo : but no one has yet named and shamed the worst offender, Heinz57 the OP, has commited in the thread title : 'Is this what the countries youth is coming to?'

countries ?

If we can't even get our case declensions right, then worrying about sexual offences is surely missing the point about the severity of our degenerative society!

*BANGS TABLE*

Yes!

Heinous crimes.

Anyway, returning to the matter at hand, I'm sure this is nothing new. I don't think the toddlers of today are any more or less 'depraved' (doctors and nurses anyone?) than those of 30 years ago. Total sensationalism by a dreadful, hypocritical newspaper. Taken in by the story? Hang your head!

 

[Mojo]

Could I advice you buy the British ones that are manufactured to a much higher standard than those in the USA.

Why pay?

You can get them free from NHS clinics as well as other places (e.g. on websites, in some clubs/pubs) although I don't know if it depends on where you live before you are given them in NHS clinics.

 

[Clip]

Why pay?

You can get them free from NHS clinics as well as other places (e.g. on websites, in some clubs/pubs) although I don't know if it depends on where you live before you are given them in NHS clinics.

I was just surprised at how confident he thinks he is going to be by buying a 'box' of condoms. The women are not really that slack in this country are they?

 

[D841 Roebuck]

I was just surprised at how confident he thinks he is going to be by buying a 'box' of condoms. The women are not really that slack in this country are they?

Depends on the size of the box, surely...

 

[Heinz57]

I was just surprised at how confident he thinks he is going to be by buying a 'box' of condoms. The women are not really that slack in this country are they?

I don't know, theres one or two who are deffinatly game.

 

[Oswyntail]

Any evidence at all for that?
Because I do not think that is the case at all.
I just think we hear about more of the cases that do happen.

Just from working occasionally with children and schools, talking to officials.

 

[Nym]

Why pay?

You can get them free from NHS clinics as well as other places (e.g. on websites, in some clubs/pubs) although I don't know if it depends on where you live before you are given them in NHS clinics.

I very rarely pay for them (Thanks LGF, I love you!) but forginers getting them from NHS clinics shouldn't happen anyway IMO. Although TBH I think that the're very overpriced anyway. Someone's mum spent £3.40 on a pack of three condoms for him to bring down the other month, but didn't include any lubricent, so she might have well handed him instructions on how to play the banjo.

But £3.40 for a pack of three is insane, the LGF in Manchester give out packs of Durex Elite condoms and Druex Play lube in pairs of both in all bars and clubs within The Village and in outlying pubs and clubs in most of the North West, saunas not included as they buy them in anyway.

Anyway, lack of education seems to exist, even among the pearents of children in the UK, not providing lube for example, she simply didn't know...

(Apologies for spelling, on a uni computer so don't have a spell checker)

 

[ralphchadkirk]

forginers getting them from NHS clinics shouldn't happen anyway IMO.

Yeah, these damn foreigners coming over here and taking our condoms.

 

[Nym]

Yeah, these damn foreigners coming over here and taking our condoms.

Those damn forginers who don't pay National Insurance getting the free stuff that WE pay for!

(I'm also of the opinion that the NHS should persue anyone for payment who does not pay National Insurance)

 

[anthony263]

The sun may have you believe the whole youth of this country is coming to this but please dont believe it. Theres a lot who arn't like that. Im 19 and i know no one like that.

I certainly agree with what you have said.

Some of the problems in my opinion can be that some parents have become a bit spineless when it comes to their children.

In fact some parents dont seem to want to believe that their children are causing trouble prefering to live in a fantasy world and believe their children are sweet little angels and wont take reposibility for them.


Children dont seem to have any respect and are not afraid of the authorities as much as they used to be and the fact they can no longer be given a good clip round the ear

 

[SteveP29]

The women are not really that slack in this country are they?

Hahahahaha, that takes me back, I haven't heard loose women be described as slack for about 30 years, classic mate, thanks for the reminder.

Favourite playground question to girls: Are you tight or slack?

lol

All answers that said slack, were met with 'urghhhhh', and that was the late 70's!!

 

[WestCoast]

Those damn forginers who don't pay National Insurance getting the free stuff that WE pay for!

(I'm also of the opinion that the NHS should persue anyone for payment who does not pay National Insurance)

Erm, while there is such a thing as "health tourism", I am not sure that there are thousands of 'Joe Foreigners' flooding Britain to avail of free NHS contraception (although admittedly other EU state healthcare systems would never provide it). Equally, if you banned people who don't pay NI from NHS services then it wouldn't just be 'foreigners' needing to pay!

 

[SS4]

Erm, while there is such a thing as "health tourism", I am not sure that there are thousands of 'Joe Foreigners' flooding Britain to avail of free NHS contraception (although admittedly other EU state healthcare systems would never provide it). Equally, if you banned people who don't pay NI from NHS services then it wouldn't just be 'foreigners' needing to pay!

On top of that it would basically be a glorified insurance system

 

[bb21]

Erm, while there is such a thing as "health tourism", I am not sure that there are thousands of 'Joe Foreigners' flooding Britain to avail of free NHS contraception (although admittedly other EU state healthcare systems would never provide it). Equally, if you banned people who don't pay NI from NHS services then it wouldn't just be 'foreigners' needing to pay!

Agreed. If this was implemented then many of the most vulnerable in society (those who earn less than the threshold to be paying NI contributions and those who claim certain benefits) will be overlooked.

Yes, make "health tourists" pay for major medical services they receive, however NI contribution should not be a deciding factor.

Why pay?

You can get them free from NHS clinics as well as other places (e.g. on websites, in some clubs/pubs) although I don't know if it depends on where you live before you are given them in NHS clinics.

Here in Leicester, they are supplied free of charge in the bars and clubs, mainly distributed by an organisation called Trade. They even actively give them out during certain busy times such as the beginning of the academic year when freshers start. You can also get them for free at the GUM clinic at the LRI or from the GP's surgery, so there really is no need to buy them if money is tight. There is no excuse.

 

[Nym]

Can I just clarify the NI thing, it would mean those who are UK citizens within the "Eligible to pay NI" category.

So this includes all of those who inherit NI contributions from parents or historical contributions.

We have to pay for medical treatment in other EU states and around the world, so why not the other way round?

 

[Tomonthetrain]

Anyway, lack of education seems to exist.

I was on a local bus t'other day and I heard a group of 7 year olds talking about having Blowjobs! Back when I was their age we were being taught how to play a flute! How the education system has changed in 14 years! We never learnt about sex in school until the age of 14! 7 years later and they're teaching it to 7 year olds!

We have to pay for medical treatment in other EU states and around the world, so why not the other way round?

Two words - Human Rights!

 

[WestCoast]

We have to pay for medical treatment in other EU states and around the world, so why not the other way round?

You may not have to within the EU...

Crucially there's been an EU health agreement for a long time, where any UK citizen normally resident in Britain is entitled to medical attention in another EU country on the same basis as a permanent resident living in that country, providing you show a card and you're not going abroad as a "health tourist". If the locals don't pay for something, you won't. It's the same here.

However, state funded healthcare in other EU countries may not be as extensive and it doesn't always cover what the NHS pay for here (no free condoms!!) and there may well be fees that locals pay. It's not always "free at the point of use" either, it may involve being reimbursed. Most people have to pay to see a GP in the Republic of Ireland, so you would too.

Many people don't know about this because, if you get ill on holiday in, say, Spain or Greece, and you have travel insurance, you'll go to one of the many private clinics and not a free hospital (where you don't need insurance).

 

[Nym]

I was on a local bus t'other day and I heard a group of 7 year olds talking about having Blowjobs! Back when I was their age we were being taught how to play a flute! How the education system has changed in 14 years! We never learnt about sex in school until the age of 14! 7 years later and they're teaching it to 7 year olds!

I bet they don't even know what one is though...

The're not teaching 'sex' to children of that age, although they should be teaching them something about relationships et al. at that kind of age, or it ends up in them using sex as a tool rather than something relation to passion, (that it should be) and they end up victimised by their peers making up things about what they don't do. Perhaps bringing back some kind of taboo to sexual activity might be an idea, and that sex outside of a relationship should be thought of as wrong?