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Jeremy Corbyn's Traingate
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It depends on how the tickets were booked. When I book tickets through work the reservation screens quite often show my name.
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I was on a school trip around a year ago and the screen showed
RESERVED-school name.
When passengers book assistance or by phone (or tweet asking for a reservation) names are usually shown I believe. Mine certainly was when I asked for a different seat my booked one would have had no view whatsoever.
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RESERVED-school name.
When passengers book assistance or by phone (or tweet asking for a reservation) names are usually shown I believe. Mine certainly was when I asked for a different seat my booked one would have had no view whatsoever.
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There's an interesting footnote to this story. The Guardian launched an investigation after it emerged that the story was written up under a bogus byline by supporters of Corbyn's Momentum group. Today have now added a footnote to the story, which is still on line:
'This article was amended on 7 October 2016, following an investigation by the readers’ editor, to correct the headline and text, which originally omitted the fact that Corbyn obtained a seat about 45 minutes into the journey. Charles B Anthony is a pseudonym used by Anthony Casey, who is not a Guardian reporter. He is an active Corbyn supporter whose text, which was submitted with the video from Yannis Mendez, was partly used in the preparation of this article.'
According to the Guido Fawkes site, 'An internal Guardian investigation has blasted the paper’s editors for publishing the original Traingate story by a freelance journalist who turned out to be a Trotskite. The Guardian readers’ editor rubbishes the article as “a kind of gonzo news release by two Corbyn supporters”, concluding that the paper “misled” its readers and that editors’ “pre-publication checks and balances failed”. Turns out the freelance filmmaker who shot the pictures of the Labour leader sitting on the floor was being paid by the 'Jeremy For Leader campaign'. The Trotskyite freelance journalist who wrote the story wasn’t even on the train. The authors first pitched their pro-Jez propaganda to BuzzFeed, who embarrassingly for the Guardian smelled a rat and turned it down.'
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The full explanation: https://www.theguardian.com/comment...rain-to-publication-too-fast?CMP=share_btn_tw
"The video of Jeremy Corbyn sitting on the floor of a train, disclosed exclusively online on 16 August, was mistakenly treated by the Guardian more as freelance journalism than what it actually was: a kind of gonzo news release by two Corbyn supporters."
It's good the paper did check after and update the article, but it's a bit late after you've had loads of people calling for blood from Virgin, Richard Branson, and demanding the return of BR..
"The video of Jeremy Corbyn sitting on the floor of a train, disclosed exclusively online on 16 August, was mistakenly treated by the Guardian more as freelance journalism than what it actually was: a kind of gonzo news release by two Corbyn supporters."
Seems exactly like what someone like Putin would do. It works if you can get the media to print what you say and not check.
It's good the paper did check after and update the article, but it's a bit late after you've had loads of people calling for blood from Virgin, Richard Branson, and demanding the return of BR..
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Whatever. Why exactly are you blaming Corbyn give the linked article clearly states:
Are you defending Corbyn when he was the subject of the video, talking about overcrowding and failing to do anything to get the story pulled if he was an innocent victim who was tricked into doing so by an activist, who was part of his entourage?
And nobody has asked Corbyn asked yet why he did not reserve his train? I see all labels above the seats; which means the train had reservations. When Labour was in power; why not invest in double stock trains. Which means the tunnels would have to be adjusted.
This was covered at the time. They had reservations but due to a change in plans they had to travel on a different train to the one they were reserved on.
And so they must have expected others to take their seats on that train, but purposely didn't take empty reserved seats on their one - even when getting off at the first stop so nobody was ever going to claim them.
What happened is, like activists who goad police at protests and then film it, they thought they'd get away with faking a video and were most put out when busted.
Tetchytyke
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A website run in an offshore tax haven by a Conservative with numerous convictions for alcohol-related disorder?
I wouldn't rush to take Thirsty Paul's word as Gospel...
You keep bringing up his problems with alcohol - did you ever think that he may actually have a dependency on it and that is now classed as an illness?Some caring socialist you are
And whether or not it was reported on his site the Guardian itself has said in the very same post you quoted that this was a massive mistake so yeah it happened and they got it wrong why can you not accept that?
southern442
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Does this still need to be discussed? Plenty of politicians have done far far worse.
Politicians doing worse can have their own thread can't they?
I'm not sure how that's a reason to lay off someone who is trying to come over as honest and above board. Perhaps the others are unashamed arrogant gits who don't give a stuff about public opinion?
I'm not sure how that's a reason to lay off someone who is trying to come over as honest and above board. Perhaps the others are unashamed arrogant gits who don't give a stuff about public opinion?
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He was offered a free upgrade to 1st, where there were seats available. He declined it.
Also, a reservation ticket does not mean a seat is reserved at that point in the journey, or that the passenger for whom the reservation was made in fact turned up. The photos/footage is pretty clear that there were seats free. Many passengers don't understand that they need to read the res tickets to see where the seat is reserved, and sit on the floor or stand when they could be seated.
On both counts, it certainly isn't Virgin's fault that people don't know how to use the railway or that JC turned down available seats in 1st.
Also, a reservation ticket does not mean a seat is reserved at that point in the journey, or that the passenger for whom the reservation was made in fact turned up. The photos/footage is pretty clear that there were seats free. Many passengers don't understand that they need to read the res tickets to see where the seat is reserved, and sit on the floor or stand when they could be seated.
On both counts, it certainly isn't Virgin's fault that people don't know how to use the railway or that JC turned down available seats in 1st.
backontrack
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Well I believe it.
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Source is questionable. Can we see the original FOI request that this footage is apparently based on?
That sounds suspiciously like you only want people to reply who hold the views that you want them to. That isnt how it works.
Besides, hardly anyone has replied yet, plenty of time for the skeptics to arrive yet.
Failed Unit
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A lot doesn't seem right here. Virgin can decline a FOI request - why would the comply if it incriminates themselves? Do they really keep footage for 7 minutes months?
I don't trust either side to be honest.
I use 1100 London - Edinburgh lots. Often is full of reservations but lots of people don't show up. 15 minutes out of kings cross you can normally find seats by reading the labels. Maybe not together but that is a different story.
I don't see what Virgin have to gain about trying to cover up the fact the 1100 is a busy service. The 1030 and 1130 not so busy.
They have no stock to put on a relief until the IEP arrives. First is often full on that service as well. If virgin did cover it up - they went to a lot of effort for something they would get no gain out of (if it was true of course).
I don't trust either side to be honest.
I use 1100 London - Edinburgh lots. Often is full of reservations but lots of people don't show up. 15 minutes out of kings cross you can normally find seats by reading the labels. Maybe not together but that is a different story.
I don't see what Virgin have to gain about trying to cover up the fact the 1100 is a busy service. The 1030 and 1130 not so busy.
They have no stock to put on a relief until the IEP arrives. First is often full on that service as well. If virgin did cover it up - they went to a lot of effort for something they would get no gain out of (if it was true of course).
A quick scan of "Double Down News" on YouTube shows this 'channel' to clearly have a left-wing agenda, so I'd treat this thread with the necessary huge pinch of salt. It's rather naïve to treat this video as somehow the 'truth'.
Bearing in mind that the Information Commissioner's Office has already ruled on this 'Traingate' episode, I'd strongly recommend that the OP reconsiders the title of this thread.
Bearing in mind that the Information Commissioner's Office has already ruled on this 'Traingate' episode, I'd strongly recommend that the OP reconsiders the title of this thread.
tbtc
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I thought one of Corbyn's selling points was that he was a bit of a railway-buff?
In which case, not knowing that you are fine to sit on an untaken seat with a ticket reservation on it seems a little disingenuous/ naïve/ silly.
He should have known better, he tried to enhance his "man of the people" credentials with a silly stunt that backfired once Virgin showed the CCTV images - can't blame Virgin for defending themselves in the circumstances.
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