LNER Azuma (Class 800/801)

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  1. 3973EXL

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    It is not unusual to leave that way.
    I'm not aware of the reason but suspect it's orientation dependant.
     
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    They would still use the same pointwork towards P3 whichever route they take out the depot. A XC ECS exited the TRSMD by the usual route only 5 mins later.
     
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    Possibly a silly question but could an 801/1 and 800/2 pair up in service? Has this ever occurred? I wonder how this would perform on Diesel with a total of 4 engines (instead of 6 engines on 2x 800/2s).
     
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    Yes, a number of times, but only on electric workings.

    801112 and 800207 worked together all day on Saturday on Leeds to Kings Cross journeys.

    This has been asked before and not answered. I don't think it is going to happen in passenger service.
     
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    An interesting point raised in the January/February issue of The Rail Engineer, taken from the article "Azuma's HIGHEST Challenge": https://www.railengineer.co.uk/2020/02/04/azumas-highest-challenge/
     
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    I had my first ride on an Azuma last week from Peterborough to Lincoln. I don't know why I consider them a new train, seeing as they're pretty much exactly the same the GWR ones I've grown accustomed to over the last two years.

    I do prefer them to their GWR counterparts. They actually have a decent livery that doesn't make me wanna fall asleep, and the interior is nice and bright. Not the dull and awful grey on the GWR ones. Seats are still far too hard though.

    I don't think they even compare to the HSTs and Mark 4s they're replacing however. The old trains just have a much nicer atmosphere, not to mention decently comfortable seats. Why do we have to put up with such a downgrade in quality? It is possible to have nice interiors in multiple units, you need only look at Voyagers, Meridians, 170s and 185s to see that. Am I alone in thinking this?
     
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    I wouldn`t call a Voyager interior nice at all. Personally i think the seats are really bad but that`s probably just party of a trend that has inflicted our stock this century.
     
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    I was expecting a comment like that. I think Voyagers are just pretty divisive.
     
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    Devil's advocate time - I had my first trip on an Azuma on Monday and honestly, I really enjoyed it.

    I'm on the same side of the people criticising the trend for absurdly hard seats on trains these days but I didn't find them anywhere near as bad as those on the 800/0 I rode a while back. They're definitely going to be too firm for many but 2h30 sat in one was honestly fine. It didn't feel like it was getting any less comfortable toward the end of the journey and the supportive upright back was quite helpful. The ambience is considerably better than the GWR (and Hull Trains for that matter) interior design, the PIS and seat reservations worked fine, the audio was nice and clear from the announcements - the guard's announcements had quite a lot of electrical noise in the background which wasn't great but he was still clearly audible, whereas that definitely wasn't the case with the HT 802 I rode earlier in the day. The trolley appeared at a useful time and I didn't think the value for money of the food on offer was that bad, all things considered. Ride quality seemed fine, you still get stuff sliding across the table on the sharper curves at full speed, but both types of legacy stock had that issue too, without tilt I don't really see how you solve it.

    The only real negative points were seeing a Mk4 set go past the other way and realising how much better their information screens are than the rather dated version on the Azumas (though I didn't spot the flickering issue the GWR units have annoyed me with, might just have been as I was further from the display sitting towards the rear of the coach) and the other isn't the train's fault at all, it's the sort of 'train impostor syndrome' - the fares on LNER are so high that their trains will only ever feel like a luxury I can only afford every now and then, a bit like flying (for those who don't fly business on a regular basis, anyway), you get that strange sense of detachment of 'this isn't something I could ever do routinely, I don't really belong here'. The £16 advance fare on Hull Trains did not give that impression, that was very good value by comparison. I don't think my £58 super off-peak single was terrible value but I'm very mindful of the conditions it has, and how much more I'd have had to pay if I'd also used LNER for my morning peak trip outbound.

    All things considered though, having spent 5 hours on 80x units, I've actually warmed to them. LNER's are definitely the best of the bunch (I confess I haven't tried TPE's yet, but I've done all the others now) but I'm far less bothered by them cropping up everywhere on the UK's express routes now that I've actually done some long journeys on them.
     
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    You aren't the only one who doesn't think the seats are too bad. I think they are a marmite thing. My father also has no issues and doesn't think they're hard at all. As for me, well on a typical journey from Paddington to Cardiff, I'm getting uncomfortable in my seat by Slough. I would be extremely reluctant to do more than two hours on one personally.

    I have also yet to try the TPE ones but on the same day as I had my first ride on an Azuma I sampled a Hull Trains set. I don't think they're quite as good as the Azumas, but they are better than the GWR ones. I wish FGW hadn't rebranded to GWR, because then the Great Western sets would probably be similar both externally and internally to the Hull Trains ones, and I wouldn't have such hostile feelings towards them.

    On the topic of trolleys, on my hour long Azuma ride it didn't even show up, despite it being only five cars and not particularly busy. I probably would have only bought a packet of mini cheddars anyway.

    Did you visit the food bar on your trip? I couldn't be bothered to visit it on my trip but I am curious what it's like, especially as GWR sets don't have one.
     
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    All the liveries the 80x classes wear are quite good I think - the LNER livery is probably the weakest from the outside, but when immaculate and new as it was on 801213 this week (not sure how old that unit is, but judging by the look of it, not very!), it looks very smart. A bit of dirt, however, and it'll soon look the worst. Inside, it's the opposite. I find the First corporate livery inside the HT unit a bit dull really. The GWR lime green stripe inside looks absurd but it does at least add some colour.

    I didn't visit the food bar I'm afraid, on a walk-on ticket, when I see a coach with unreserved seats, I board it, so I was at the back in Coach B, it would have been a long walk to the food bar. I've used the foodbar on the previous DOR East Coast offering and I found it quite good then, but that's going back a few years now.
     
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    Does anyone know which units are still at Tyne Yard?
     
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    I think liveries are quite subjective. Words cannot describe how much I detest the GWR livery. It's just so boring and unimaginative. It doesn't look TOO bad in the sun, but on a cloudy/ rainy day (which in South Wales it is 90% of the time), it may as well be plain black. I was legitimately shocked when I heard the majority of members on this forum singing their praise for it.

    The TPE one is by far my favourite. That livery looks good on any train, but the 802s (along with the 397s) look like they were made to wear those colours. I like the LNER one but I don't think it's particularly special.

    I also like the Hull Trains livery, although I think the 180s wore that colour scheme better in my opinion.
     
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    Agreed. TPE is probably the best livery around at the moment, though that's getting a bit off topic now.
     
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    Funny you mention that, twice I went to York on the 09:00 and the 10:00 I felt exactly the same. Walking through a packed first class felt even more so.

    The LNER 800s are the best of the bunch, the seat design is the same as the other 800s but with a better material that is more comfortable for around 2 hours (though I'm not sure its comfortable for KX - Scotland journeys.

    Don't bother. More overpriced than Avanti with a lesser range (bar for some hot bacon rolls and a few other small portions).
     
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    66768 GBRf 'Thunderbird' with LNER Class 800 plus peopled carriages waiting just south of PBO station 18:28 today. First such sighting for me. Too dark and blocked by shrubs to see what the 800 was.
     
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    801227 saw it pass Spalding 7-25PM
     
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    Many thanks.
     
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    I wish people would stop moaning about on board catering. No wonder the nation is fat. Just eat when you get off. A few hours is nothing.
     
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    ECS with a set off modifications at Eastleigh.

     
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    800210 made it to Huddersfield yesterday morning on driver training runs which have now commenced prior to the introduction of services there. One ran again this morning and another was supposed to run tonight but this has yet to depart Neville Hill so assume it’s caped
     
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    A few hours ...........on the Chieftan ?
     
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    A few = 2 to 7
     
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    As I work in Harrogate I now have the luxary of the 17:36 Azuma to Leeds (or Wakefield as I often stay on to), it is quite a weird feeling essentially being on a 'posh' London train daily! Even more strange when you're used to Northern calling at Hornbeam Park, Pannal, Weeton, Horsforth, Headingley, Burley Park, Leeds to first stop Leeds!

    Although rather ironically 'the fares on LNER are so high...' it looks like if you're just making a single journey between Leeds and Harrogate (or vice versa) there looks to be a LNER only fare set at £7.90 which is actually CHEAPER than a generic peak/off peak day single offering of £9.10 / £8.70! :D (You can even book advances for between 3 quid and a fiver!)
     
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