LNER Azuma (Class 800/801)

[Mag_seven]

I was on a northbound Azuma earlier today and it ran in diesel mode between Grantham and Newark. Was there a reason for this?

 

[57Tonic]

I was on a northbound Azuma earlier today and it ran in diesel mode between Grantham and Newark. Was there a reason for this?

Avoiding the notorious knitting?

 

[Tyrion]

Presumably it will be the northern end of the OHLE section fed from Marshall Meadows feeder station, not sure of the name. I haven’t got the Scottish sectional appendix to hand, perhaps someone will know without having to find it online.

Is it Reston that is the next neutral section north, then Innerwick feeder station, just across the A1 from Torness power station?

Marshall Meadows, Reston, Innerwick, Longniddry are the neutrals going North

 

[swt_passenger]

Marshall Meadows, Reston, Innerwick, Longniddry are the neutrals going North

Thanks for confirming.

 

[gavin]

Azuma and Mallard will be at a press event in York on Tuesday ahead of the launch on Thursday to Edinburgh

LNER has announced that they have been working with the National Railway Museum for a special event this week.To celebrate the Azuma trains north of York, LNER will be bringing Mallard out of the National Railway Museum to meet the newest train on the block, Class 800s Azuma.The rare outing is part of LNER’s media launch in York ahead of Azuma services commencing north to Edinburgh on 1 August.

https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2019/0...allard-leaves-the-nrm-to-meet-lner-azuma.html

 

[sjpowermac]

Azuma and Mallard will be at a press event in York on Tuesday ahead of the launch on Thursday to Edinburgh



https://www.railadvent.co.uk/2019/0...allard-leaves-the-nrm-to-meet-lner-azuma.html

Obviously the Azuma run is ‘press and invited guests only’, but does anyone know about the event at York? Cordoned off or open access to the public?

‘Security will be in place’ sounds a bit like ‘don’t turn up without an invite’.

 

[simon7929]

Heard the Flying Scotsman will be at Darlington to coincide with the event. Not sure if this is the case so please don't shoot the messenger..

 

[800001]

Heard the Flying Scotsman will be at Darlington to coincide with the event. Not sure if this is the case so please don't shoot the messenger..

It will be, should be in plat 3, azuma alongside in plat 4. Should be sat alongside for about 10 min.

 

[Mark62]

Second class coaches on an azuma have at least 12 extra seats. Thats can only amount to less leg room, less space for luggage and fewer lavatories
I am travelling in a couple of weeks on an azuma in first class. lets see how they compare to the sublime MK4 stock.

 

[MalaiseForever]

Second class coaches on an azuma have at least 12 extra seats. Thats can only amount to less leg room, less space for luggage and fewer lavatories
I am travelling in a couple of weeks on an azuma in first class. lets see how they compare to the sublime MK4 stock.

No, there is more leg room, more luggage space, and I don’t think there are fewer toilets. The vehicles are longer. As has been well documented for many years now, on this forum and elsewhere.

 

[Mark62]

Which is about when they are maintained the present timetable until as well isn't it? So there's no need to better current timings until then I guess.

Current timings have been deliberatly inflated when compared to 20 years ago. Lets see how the full timetable compares to a timetable from the mid 90s and not compare them to current timetables that have way too much running time. Not everyone has a short memory. And some of us have the actual timetables from the 90s(and earlier)
Its a standard tactic to deliberately inflate journey times and when new rolling stock is introduced then a few minutes are shaved off with the operators claiming faster journey times. But these new times are generally a long way behind pre franchise timings.

 

[Mordac]

Second class coaches on an azuma have at least 12 extra seats. Thats can only amount to less leg room, less space for luggage and fewer lavatories
I am travelling in a couple of weeks on an azuma in first class. lets see how they compare to the sublime MK4 stock.

The coaches are longer.

 

[Mark62]

Ill test out the legroom, seat size and comfort when i travel. For the present I will use precedent to say that Its unlikely that these coaches will be comfier.
And from the floor plan of the azuma, there are most certainly fewer lavatories. And of course, many services will only be half the length of current trains. Thats hardly a passport to comfort. Is it?
An azuma carriage is around 8.4 ft longer than a MK 4. This is not sufficient length to accomodate the significantly extra seats in each carriage. I know that its been quoted that each second class seat has an extra 7cm leg room. Do the maths. an extra 8.4 ft length cannot accomodate this extra leg room and the extra seats. Its physically impossibe
Therefore. Someone is lying about leg room. lets face it, every new carriage built since the mk 4 was built at Doncaster has given much less leg room.
Or. Theres few lavatories and less luggage space
Or. All three of these are true.
Since franchising started, passenger comfort has been given the least priority. Why? Becuase increased comfort means reduced profits
I have read reports about the GWR 800 units with many passengers reporting reduced leg room, and severe discomfort when compared to the hST. The MK4 is comfier that the mk3.
As a passenger, I sincerely hope these new azuma are as comfy as their predessors. Thankfully for long journeys i always travel first class. I always feel sorry for any UK passengers travelling long distance in second class. Especially in any new post MK4 rolling stock.

 

[Crisps]

Ill test out the legroom, seat size and comfort when i travel. For the present I will use precedent to say that Its unlikely that these coaches will be comfier.
And from the floor plan of the azuma, there are most certainly fewer lavatories. And of course, many services will only be half the length of current trains. Thats hardly a passport to comfort. Is it?

There won’t be many shorter services at all. The 5 car sets are going to predominantly work in pairs, so that two destinations, for example Bradford and Skipton, can be served using a single ECML path. The HSTs and MKIV sets are pretty much being replaced like for like by 9 car 800/801s, leaving the 5 car sets predominantly for new or extra services

 

[ainsworth74]

I can't believe we're still having to talk about this! LNER currently have (or had until withdrawals started) fourteen 9-car HSTs and thirty 9-car Mk4 sets a total of forty-four full length sets. They are in the process of receiving thirteen 9-car bimode Class 800s and thirty 9-car electric Class 801s. A total of forty-three full length sets or a reduction of one. Only, hang on, that's not all that they're receiving is it? There is also an additional ten 5-car bimode Class 800s and twelve 5-car electric Class 801s being added to the fleet. So that's an additional eleven 10-car sets that can be run on the mainline. The only way that "many services only be half the length of the current trains" is if something very very odd happens to the LNER fleet. Because there is as near as makes no difference a one to one replacement of full length sets before you even start talking about the additional 5-car sets (which have even handily been ordered in the right numbers to run around as pairs)!!

 

[swt_passenger]

Second class coaches on an azuma have at least 12 extra seats. Thats can only amount to less leg room, less space for luggage and fewer lavatories
I am travelling in a couple of weeks on an azuma in first class. lets see how they compare to the sublime MK4 stock.

We hammered this out in the GWR thread about 4 years ago. You have to compare the furnishable saloon length, and the Mk3 saloon is only 17.4 metres long. The equivalent space in an IEP is at least 20 metres long. There’s more than enough length to add 3 rows of airline seats at 80 cm pitch.

However, the long running GWR version of this thread includes numerous posts independently verifying that the seats have more legroom.

 

[westv]

Current timings have been deliberatly inflated when compared to 20 years ago. Lets see how the full timetable compares to a timetable from the mid 90s and not compare them to current timetables that have way too much running time. Not everyone has a short memory. And some of us have the actual timetables from the 90s(and earlier)
Its a standard tactic to deliberately inflate journey times and when new rolling stock is introduced then a few minutes are shaved off with the operators claiming faster journey times. But these new times are generally a long way behind pre franchise timings.

Not sure about deliberate inflation but the London to Hull journey has gained 10 minutes in the last 10 years.

 

[route101]

Heard the Kings X to Glasgow is going over to 800 on the 23rd September ?

 

[hexagon789]

Current timings have been deliberatly inflated when compared to 20 years ago. Lets see how the full timetable compares to a timetable from the mid 90s and not compare them to current timetables that have way too much running time. Not everyone has a short memory. And some of us have the actual timetables from the 90s(and earlier)
Its a standard tactic to deliberately inflate journey times and when new rolling stock is introduced then a few minutes are shaved off with the operators claiming faster journey times. But these new times are generally a long way behind pre franchise timings.

Well within 2 years of the full 235 tinetable being introduced BR padded out the timetables.

I do hope that the Azumas will however speed things up and keep things sped up

 

[Gunnermike]

Hi all, first post on here. Does anybody know what time the azuma and scotsman will be in Darlington 30/7/19. News reports say azuma and mallard will be in york from 10am then onto Darlington but no time given. Thanks in advance

 

[JonathanH]

Hi all, first post on here. Does anybody know what time the azuma and scotsman will be in Darlington 30/7/19. News reports say azuma and mallard will be in york from 10am then onto Darlington but no time given. Thanks in advance

Just looking at Realtimetrains, there is a light engine working from Shildon to Darlington mid-morning

0Z60 0954 Shildon to Darlington
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U55448/2019/07/30/advanced

0Z61 1159 Darlington to Shildon
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/U55449/2019/07/30/advanced

...that matches with a special run from York to Darlington and back

1Z80 1058 York to Darlington
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N04148/2019/07/30/advanced

1Z81 1153 Darlington to York
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N04147/2019/07/30/advanced

Empty stock from Doncaster Carr depot

5Z80 0921 Doncaster Carr Iep Depot to York
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N04146/2019/07/30/advanced

5Z81 1308 York to Heaton T&R.S.M.D.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N04145/2019/07/30/advanced

Looks like the Azuma then goes on to Craigentinny early on Wednesday

3Z82 0443 Heaton T&R.S.M.D. to Craigentinny T.&R.S.M.D
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N16520/2019/07/31/advanced

and to a launch event and press run

5Z80 1029 Craigentinny T.&R.S.M.D to Edinburgh
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N03786/2019/07/31/advanced

1Z80 1102 Edinburgh to Berwick-upon-Tweed
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N03788/2019/07/31/advanced

1Z81 1147 Berwick-upon-Tweed to Edinburgh
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N03787/2019/07/31/advanced

5Z81 1313 Edinburgh to Craigentinny T.&R.S.M.D
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N03785/2019/07/31/advanced

Empty trip round the Fife Circle on Wednesday night so must be in reverse formation?

5Z82 2021 Craigentinny T.&R.S.M.D to Craigentinny T.&R.S.M.D
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N03789/2019/07/31/advanced

Then into service on Thursday

5E01 0448 Craigentinny T.&R.S.M.D to Edinburgh
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y31312/2019/08/01/advanced

1E01 0540 Edinburgh to London Kings Cross
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/Y31126/2019/08/01/advanced

 

[gsnedders]

We hammered this out in the GWR thread about 4 years ago. You have to compare the furnishable saloon length, and the Mk3 saloon is only 17.4 metres long. The equivalent space in an IEP is at least 20 metres long. There’s more than enough length to add 3 rows of airline seats at 80 cm pitch.

However, the long running GWR version of this thread includes numerous posts independently verifying that the seats have more legroom.

Also, the seat backs are thinner than the existing seats, therefore there's an increase in legroom even with no change to seat pitch.

 

[swt_passenger]

Also, the seat backs are thinner than the existing seats, therefore there's an increase in legroom even with no change to seat pitch.

Yes, of course.

 

[800001]

Heard the Kings X to Glasgow is going over to 800 on the 23rd September ?

Not by there website.

If you do a dummy search on there sight, where it normally says lner next to time of train it says Azuma.

only one coming up on 23rd Sept is the 1730 Kings - Edinburgh.

 

[3973EXL]

5X82 Eastleigh - Acton
5Q83 Acton - Doncaster
800206 801102

 

[59CosG95]

https://flic.kr/p/2gGRp6z 800101 is, alas, in standard LNER livery. The picture in the link shows it making a rare venture outside at Doncaster Carr IEP Depot.

 

[7522]

Is it still 800101 planned for Thursday? I'm on the 7:05 from Newcastle and it would be nice to get this train on its first day in passenger service.

 

[sjpowermac]

This one:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N03782/2019/07/30/advanced

just past through York. Tartan in the red LNER band with a Saltire on the side of the nose. I didn’t get a proper look, completely bowled!

 

[Alanko]

This one:
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/N03782/2019/07/30/advanced

just past through York. Tartan in the red LNER band with a Saltire on the side of the nose. I didn’t get a proper look, completely bowled!

Thanks for this! I might head up to Waverley tonight to snap it.

 

[sjpowermac]

Thanks for this! I might head up to Waverley tonight to snap it.

You are very welcome. I hope you get a great picture