LNR new WCML timetable, May 2019 (in open data feeds)

[Bletchleyite]

So, more than nothing, but far from all. Hmm, not massively satisfactory. I'm happy I'm not (no longer) the one waiting years and years for this!

Blame CAF for failing to allow the release of the TPE 350s.

 

[sufian123]

List of services along the Trent Valley with scheduled for 8 coaches from May

Sunday services from Crewe
0952
1001
1216
1316
1416
1516
1616
1716
1816
1933
Sunday services from Euston
0855
1053
1243
1343
1443
1543
1646
1743
1843
1947
Saturday services from Crewe
0538
0624
0833
0933
1033
1133
1233
1333
1433
1533
1633
1733
2038
Saturday services from Euston
0746
0846
0946
1046
1146
1246
1346
1446
1546
1646
1746
1846
Monday – Friday services from Euston
0846
0946
1046
1146
1246
1646
1746
1846
Monday – Friday services from Crewe
0547
0714
1133
1233
1332
1433
1533
1935
2153

The most obvious ‘mistake’ is the 1546 from London, always packed, I have queried it.

Hi there isn’t 1001 from Crewe on Sunday?

 

[RealTrains07]

Still not happy with the train situation at stone. Hopefully it can be quickly improved considering all other stations in the area have at least 2 trains an hour or more

 

[Idon'tKnow]

I'm actually shocked! 0854 and 1010 in the new timetable from lichfield to London are busy at the moment but will still be 4 carriages! 1546 is rammed and still 4, 1446 is well loaded (especially Friday) and still 4. This is most disappointing.

 

[sufian123]

I'm actually shocked! 0854 and 1010 in the new timetable from lichfield to London are busy at the moment but will still be 4 carriages! 1546 is rammed and still 4, 1446 is well loaded (especially Friday) and still 4. This is most disappointing.

It’s not their fault. 350/4s was meant to be coming in April. Delayed till December now due to testing of tpe new trains. They are doing the best they can.

 

[Idon'tKnow]

Why are they lengthening trains that aren't too busy? Eg. The 0846 from Euston. They should give busier services 8 carriages, not quieter ones.

 

[sufian123]

Consider the return from Crewe to Euston. Then evening service.

 

[Idon'tKnow]

Hmm, but Trent Valley services terminating at Euston look like they turn around to form a Tring stopper or a Crewe via Northampton, Birmingham and Stoke.

 

[sufian123]

Hmm, but Trent Valley services terminating at Euston look like they turn around to form a Tring stopper or a Crewe via Northampton, Birmingham and Stoke.

Crewe via Northampton will spilt at new st. One portion for Crewe the other for rugeley. They are being diagrammed as 8 cars.

 

[Idon'tKnow]

Are Liverpool via Northampton & Birmingham planned as 4 cars?

 

[sufian123]

Are Liverpool via Northampton & Birmingham planned as 4 cars?

Maybe far as Northampton. As the return terminates at Birmingham. Then will couple with ex Crewe to Euston services.

 

[sufian123]

Maybe far as Northampton. As the return terminates at Birmingham. Then will couple with ex Crewe to Euston services.

The other one not sure the one that shall
Continue to Euston. xx54 departure from new st and xx49 from Euston.

 

[Idon'tKnow]

Wow the timetable seems very vulnerable in the sense that a problem in one place could cause chaos in another due to how interlinked all the services are.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Wow the timetable seems very vulnerable in the sense that a problem in one place could cause chaos in another due to how interlinked all the services are.

Yes, I fear rather a mess.

 

[sufian123]

Wow the timetable seems very vulnerable in the sense that a problem in one place could cause chaos in another due to how interlinked all the services are.

I agree. How it will play out waif and see

 

[BluePenguin]

If only there was enough for all services to be 12 carriages long. Making more efficient use of what is available by continuing services across Birmingham will surely help to some extent.

 

[sd0733]

I'm actually shocked! 0854 and 1010 in the new timetable from lichfield to London are busy at the moment but will still be 4 carriages! 1546 is rammed and still 4, 1446 is well loaded (especially Friday) and still 4. This is most disappointing.

Totally agree, i appreciate that there is a shortfall of 10 units but the current busy trains in the week are almost all the same size as before and quicker which could lead to even worse overcrowding at the Crewe end, granted some Stoke passengers will be lost/go via Brum
Some of these workings almost look like its a case of putting an 8 car on a train just to say there are x amount of seats/ x amount of 8 cars per day/week.

 

[sd0733]

Still not happy with the train situation at stone. Hopefully it can be quickly improved considering all other stations in the area have at least 2 trains an hour or more

Im afraid the likelihood of Stone recieving more trains in the immediate future i almost zero. Until such a time as HS2 becomes operational there are almost certainly no paths to run to anywhere meaningful.

 

[Idon'tKnow]

Totally agree, i appreciate that there is a shortfall of 10 units but the current busy trains in the week are almost all the same size as before and quicker which could lead to even worse overcrowding at the Crewe end, granted some Stoke passengers will be lost/go via Brum
Some of these workings almost look like its a case of putting an 8 car on a train just to say there are x amount of seats/ x amount of 8 cars per day/week.

Totally agree!!!! There's little point in extending quiet services to 8 carriages if they can't even manage to extend our busiest ones!

 

[The Planner]

If only there was enough for all services to be 12 carriages long. Making more efficient use of what is available by continuing services across Birmingham will surely help to some extent.

Wouldn't make any difference, maximum length of most platforms across the West Mids is 8 car, and still some that cannot do that.

 

[DavidGrain]

I did once see a 12 car SilverLink train come into New Street but once past Rugby, I expect it just stopped at Coventry and Birmingham International. This was many years ago and I thought how ridiculous was the brand new 4 car Voyager in comparison just leaving for the north east from a nearby platform.

 

[RealTrains07]

Im afraid the likelihood of Stone recieving more trains in the immediate future i almost zero. Until such a time as HS2 becomes operational there are almost certainly no paths to run to anywhere meaningful.

Between Birmingham and crewe, WMR?!

 

[RealTrains07]

Is having services connected together a good idea, from what i heard, it sounds like the timetable is very concerning

 

[VT 390]

Between Birmingham and crewe, WMR?!

I thought that was what is happening, with the Euston to Crewe service running non stop from Stafford to Crewe to maintain 1tph between Stafford and Crewe via Stoke-on-Trent one of the Euston to Birmingham services will extend to Crewe via Stoke.

 

[swt_passenger]

Is having services connected together a good idea, from what i heard, it sounds like the timetable is very concerning

Of course it is. It’s been done before at New St, it’s why you now have services such as Virgin’s Euston to Scotland through trains.

 

[Idon'tKnow]

Of course it is. It’s been done before at New St, it’s why you now have services such as Virgin’s Euston to Scotland through trains.

Scotland - Birmingham - Euston services have more robustness built into the timetable, unlike the new LNR timetable

 

[The Planner]

Scotland - Birmingham - Euston services have more robustness built into the timetable, unlike the new LNR timetable

That was just a happy coincidence of merging the two paths together, a dwell at Wolves like that wouldn't have been by design.

 

[VT 390]

That was just a happy coincidence of merging the two paths together, a dwell at Wolves like that wouldn't have been by design.

Is that not only in the southbound direction as northbound the dwell times at Wolverhampton are not that long at all.

 

[The Planner]

Is that not only in the southbound direction as northbound the dwell times at Wolverhampton are not that long at all.

Yes as the original poster stated the Scotland Birmingham service.

 

[E6007]

Northbound services dwell for 10 minutes at Birmingham New St