London Night Tube is Here

[gavin]

The TFL have this morning published the official map for the night tube which starts this September

 

[Busaholic]

A tad precipitate in view of the present uncertainty?

 

[Be3G]

This is actually the official one, not the one gavin posted. Note that gavin's doesn't include the Loughton ‘spur’.

 

[Tim R-T-C]

A tad precipitate in view of the present uncertainty?

Its called PR. The more they promote it and people expect it, the more the union's objections will seem like disruptive tactics rather than genuine concerns.

 

[backontrack]

This gives us the only direct services between High Barnet and the West End, and between the West End and south of Kennington.

 

[Muzer]

This gives us the only direct services between High Barnet and the West End, and between the West End and south of Kennington.

No, those occur at various points in the peaks/off-peaks at the moment, I believe...

 

[LeeLivery]

This was released last year. The actual one released yesterday I found a bit strange as it omits NR interchanges at St Pancras, Kentish Town, West Hampstead and Victoria.

 

[jopsuk]

The Thameslink interchanges maybe should be shown- with an asterisk for St Pancras to point out that it is only TL- no Kings Cross services, no SE, no EMT, no Eurostar- but Victoria? What services leave/depart Victoria outside "normal" tube hours?

 

[ValleyLines142]

What services leave/depart Victoria outside "normal" tube hours?

There's an hourly service to Three Bridges all night, plus there are some late-night stoppers between 0000 and 0100 to places such as Gillingham, Dartford, Sutton and Croydon, and I think that Gatwick Express is almost 24 hours.

I must admit the Northern line looks rather odd without the Bank branch!

 

[Mojo]

No, those occur at various points in the peaks/off-peaks at the moment, I believe...

Yes. It's pretty much every other train from the High Barnet branch that goes via the West End. In the morning peak all Northbound West End trains go to the Barnet branch.

 

[telstarbox]

The Thameslink interchanges maybe should be shown- with an asterisk for St Pancras to point out that it is only TL- no Kings Cross services, no SE, no EMT, no Eurostar- but Victoria? What services leave/depart Victoria outside "normal" tube hours?

Perhaps with the Thameslink works the NR service will be on and off from weekend to weekend, so it's better to leave it out altogether rather than confusing passengers. NR services will still show up in the journey planner.

AIUI the overnights from Victoria to Three Bridges are already well used.

 

[Busaholic]

Yes. It's pretty much every other train from the High Barnet branch that goes via the West End. In the morning peak all Northbound West End trains go to the Barnet branch.

I think the poster was specifically referring to High Barnet, rather than the Barnet branch i.e. not Mill Hill East or any 'shorts' so maybe he has a point?
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This was released last year. The actual one released yesterday I found a bit strange as it omits NR interchanges at St Pancras, Kentish Town, West Hampstead and Victoria.

It could be said to be misleading to imply that you can get off a tube at 3 a.m. at Victoria and catch a NR service! In fact, I'd call it downright misleading

 

[telstarbox]

You can! http://traintimes.org.uk/vic/ecr/0300/sunday

 

[jon0844]

As has been circulating a bit, here's the new map designed for viewing at 4am...

 

[Busaholic]

You can! http://traintimes.org.uk/vic/ecr/0300/sunday

Of course, there has to be one!

 

[Mojo]

I think the poster was specifically referring to High Barnet, rather than the Barnet branch i.e. not Mill Hill East or any 'shorts' so maybe he has a point?

I don't follow. Pretty much every other train on the West End branch goes to High Barnet, it's only a very small number as a percentage that go to Mill Hill East or terminate short.

 

[LeeLivery]

It could be said to be misleading to imply that you can get off a tube at 3 a.m. at Victoria and catch a NR service! In fact, I'd call it downright misleading

Well is it? It allows people to get to Clapham Junction, Selhurst, East Croydon, Purley, Horley, Gatwick and Three Bridges all night. That's not misleading at all. Just make an asterisk and stay their favourite phase check before you travel
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Perhaps with the Thameslink works the NR service will be on and off from weekend to weekend, so it's better to leave it out altogether rather than confusing passengers. NR services will still show up in the journey planner.

AIUI the overnights from Victoria to Three Bridges are already well used.

They're not enough people who know about it. There is not one poster by Southern/Thameslink saying trains are 24hr. Its not included on the maps or anywhere apart from the timetable (which not many people even look at). People in Croydon and Purley have seriously been staying they have to get night buses, whining that Southern/Overground/Thameslink is not 24 hours from London, when that clearly isn't the case.

 

[Busaholic]

I don't follow. Pretty much every other train on the West End branch goes to High Barnet, it's only a very small number as a percentage that go to Mill Hill East or terminate short.

Sorry, I didn't have the timetable to hand - maybe the poster was referring wryly to the proposal that all Barnet branch trains in future will go onto the Bank branch post-Battersea and is getting his protest in early.

 

[ashworth]

Perhaps with the Thameslink works the NR service will be on and off from weekend to weekend, so it's better to leave it out altogether rather than confusing passengers. NR services will still show up in the journey planner.

AIUI the overnights from Victoria to Three Bridges are already well used.

I don't even live in the London area but having stayed about half a dozen times in a hotel near East Croydon station I know that there is a 24hr service from Victoria.
Certainly on the occasions when I have used the 2am train from Victoria it has been very full with very few spare seats when leaving Victoria and many more people boarding at Clapham Junction. I cant remember whether it was an 8 or 12 coach train but I know I had to walk some distance down the platform at Victoria to find any empty seats.

 

[gnolife]

Sorry, I didn't have the timetable to hand - maybe the poster was referring wryly to the proposal that all Barnet branch trains in future will go onto the Bank branch post-Battersea and is getting his protest in early.

At that point, would the junction at Camden Town be removed, and if it is, what impact will that have on the night services?

 

[TheNewNo2]

At that point, would the junction at Camden Town be removed, and if it is, what impact will that have on the night services?

It might end up with the "Southern" line operating at night too. That or I think there are turnbacks at King's Cross or Moorgate.

 

[backontrack]

Sorry, I didn't have the timetable to hand - maybe the poster was referring wryly to the proposal that all Barnet branch trains in future will go onto the Bank branch post-Battersea and is getting his protest in early.

Yes, that was definitely what I meant. Without doubt.

But they obviously will.

Are there not any overnight services on the Great Northern, then? Do they all run to Moorgate?

 

[Mojo]

Are there not any overnight services on the Great Northern, then? Do they all run to Moorgate?

The last service from Moorgate is 2303. There is no service at all (yet) on weekends.

 

[transmanche]

Are there not any overnight services on the Great Northern, then?

Not any more.

 

[jopsuk]

First GN train is the 0522 to Peterborough- 0638 to Cambridge on Sunday morning. Last is the 0135 to Peterborough- 0056 to Letchworth on a Saturday night/Sunday morning. Arrivals into Kings Cross, 0453 (from Welwyn), 0722 on Sunday.

 

[Muzer]

I suspect they'll leave the connections at Camden, as all tube lines are connected together (presumably for engineering trains), except the Waterloo and City. It would also provide flexibility during engineering works.

 

[Busaholic]

At that point, would the junction at Camden Town be removed, and if it is, what impact will that have on the night services?

As I understand it, it wouldn't be removed but accessibility from the 'wrong' line would not be possible without some sort of override, probably in triplicate! As you may gather I'm not very technically minded! I don't think the points would be 'locked out of use' though as stock might have to transfer from Golders Green depot on one line to Morden on the other and vice versa and emergency provision is also important. Night services I'm not sure about, but it's probably one reason why many in London Underground are reportedly lukewarm at best about these services.

 

[Mojo]

I don't think the points would be 'locked out of use' though as stock might have to transfer from Golders Green depot on one line to Morden on the other and vice versa and emergency provision is also important.

Although don't forget there's also the connection at Kennington.

 

[backontrack]

It's strange that, despite all the outer stations being served, there aren't that many routes through the main centre of London.

Stratford does quite well, still has two different links to Bond Street.

 

[Busaholic]

It's strange that, despite all the outer stations being served, there aren't that many routes through the main centre of London.

Stratford does quite well, still has two different links to Bond Street.

That's because the sub-surface routes (Met, District, H&C, Circle) are ruled out for the time being. I'm not sure why the Bakerloo is not included, at least as far as Queen's Park: onwards from there be dragons, in the shape of NR.