thehitmaster
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More likely just feeling left out, if Lothian thought it would be worthwhile then I'm sure they would put some form of service into Midlothian.
Exactly. It’s clearly not viable. I doubt East Lothian is either - but the council are subsidising it so it’s being run.More likely just feeling left out, if Lothian thought it would be worthwhile then I'm sure they would put some form of service into Midlothian.
Noticed this in council docs - seems Lothian are planning on withdrawing the 6 soon.
Not surprised, im still surprised about the fact is has frequent deckers on it aswell, like getting a pair shoes delivered in 55” TV boxNoticed this in council docs - seems Lothian are planning on withdrawing the 6 soon.
Think it was to appease very long standing complaints from Dumbiedykes residents, who wanted (and petitioned for) a closer bus service of some kind. It's difficult to find anything commercially viable that would suit them.Can't say i'm surprised, i've never used it but from what i understood it was only the occasional tourist who used it and even then they likely have Tour tickets or walk anyway.
Indeed! Presents a interesting challenge for the council however, as if they want to close the High St during the Festival again there won't be any other buses nearby in the Holyrood area.Can't say i'm surprised, i've never used it but from what i understood it was only the occasional tourist who used it and even then they likely have Tour tickets or walk anyway.
I've noticed a lot of deckers on the 61 recently too which just looks silly. I guess it's down to the StreetAirs being MIA at the moment?Not surprised, im still surprised about the fact is has frequent deckers on it aswell, like getting a pair shoes delivered in 55” TV box
As others have said, I’m not surprised. I’ve never seen more than a couple of people on board at any time.Noticed this in council docs - seems Lothian are planning on withdrawing the 6 soon.
That’d be my guessI've noticed a lot of deckers on the 61 recently too which just looks silly. I guess it's down to the StreetAirs being MIA at the moment?
I had thought that too but they do seem to get mixed around still.seems the Ex Skylink hybrids are for the 3 as most are on that today
Think it was to appease very long standing complaints from Dumbiedykes residents, who wanted (and petitioned for) a closer bus service of some kind. It's difficult to find anything commercially viable that would suit them.
I expect it has been considered before, but you'd think service 13 could take a different route in the city centre and serve The Pleasance - maybe down to Dalkeith Road instead of Lochend. Although I think Lochend residents are quite protective of their poorly-used bus services too.
I had thought that too but they do seem to get mixed around still.
Four of these were on the 44 today.
Think it was to appease very long standing complaints from Dumbiedykes residents, who wanted (and petitioned for) a closer bus service of some kind. It's difficult to find anything commercially viable that would suit them.
I expect it has been considered before, but you'd think service 13 could take a different route in the city centre and serve The Pleasance - maybe down to Dalkeith Road instead of Lochend. Although I think Lochend residents are quite protective of their poorly-used bus services too.
They’re certainly spoiling the 44 commuters.I had thought that too but they do seem to get mixed around still.
Four of these were on the 44 today.
for something as underused as the 6 and there was people making noise about it, if i was Lothian id just tell them to **** offAlas the the residents will not let this go without making alot of noise? Maybe it could be operated by 18 seater mini buses and operate a circular?
There 60 was used by about four regulars, and almost nobody else.and the 60 I’m pretty sure was 80% dead when it ran
The proposals for the free bus also see a bunch of proper buses taken out of the city centre, with people being expected to change to go where they need to get to. Given that, I'm expecting a frequency greater than every 5 minutes and unquestioningly free to everyone. Otherwise it won't workBelieve for a time the 6 was operated with financial support with the view of allowing people to commute to the parliament.
In talks recently was the city wide free bus service. If this goes ahead, I'm envisioning a circular city service that would go from St Andrew Square, Waverly Bridge, Market Street, Parliament, Dumbidykes, Pleasance, Nicholson Square, Bristo Square, Lauriston Place, Semple Street, Haymarket, West End, Princes Street, Frederick Street and St Andrew Square.
Potentially running through the Grassmarket in the festival. Doing so all year round would make the service seem like a tour.
Every 20 minutes in either direction (alterations to allow for one way streets etc) with a boost in frequency during the festival as it links up all major festival sites.
Possibly being chargeable in the evenings and during the festival, with residents using the service for free.
This is of course if the free bus service goes ahead...
The proposals for the free bus also see a bunch of proper buses taken out of the city centre, with people being expected to change to go where they need to get to. Given that, I'm expecting a frequency greater than every 5 minutes and unquestioningly free to everyone. Otherwise it won't work
Alas the the residents will not let this go without making alot of noise? Maybe it could be operated by 18 seater mini buses and operate a circular?
Lothian could use on of these to Dumbiedykes and it would still be underused https://images.app.goo.gl/TjLBVuErzm1xzjSn7There's been a lot of noise kicked up every time the Dumbiedykes has lost its bus service. The demand simply isn't there.
The 63 is pretty useful being the only bus to Queensferry that doesn't cost like twice as muchAre there any other major unprofitable routes? I knew the 6 was not long for this world but I'm curious what else fails to bring in money, excluding the council tenders like the 63 and the 61 because its just a shuttle basically
The 63 is a profitable route, especially in peak times. usually around half full during the day. other than sundaysAre there any other major unprofitable routes? I knew the 6 was not long for this world but I'm curious what else fails to bring in money, excluding the council tenders like the 63 and the 61 because its just a shuttle basically
The 63 is subsidised by about £250k per year, one of the biggest subsidies in Edinburgh (although it works out quite low as subsidy per passenger). That's not to say it wouldn't be profitable without the council subsidy as I doubt many bus companies would turn their noses up at £250k per year and admit council funding isn't necessary for route survival.The 63 is a profitable route, especially in peak times. usually around half full during the day. other than sundays
I’m surprised they haven’t extended the No63 to Currie or beyond.The 63 is subsidised by about £250k per year, one of the biggest subsidies in Edinburgh (although it works out quite low as subsidy per passenger). That's not to say it wouldn't be profitable without the council subsidy as I doubt many bus companies would turn their noses up at £250k per year and admit council funding isn't necessary for route survival.
Of course I don't know for sure but I suspect the number of profitable routes on Lothian's network is quite small compared to the loss-makers. My rough guess would be that only routes running every 10-12 minutes through the day turn a profit, while the others are net losers. With so many season ticket passengers it's probably difficult for the company themselves to know exactly what routes make a profit as such, and how many passengers would drift away if the company didn't maintain a comprehensive network.