Lothian Group discussion (Lothian City, Lothian Country Bus and East Coast Buses)

VioletEclipse · 20 Apr 2025

So a few of the tour Gemini 3s are seemingly near Stoke on Trent in England, I'm assuming that this is for electric conversions?

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citybus2500 · 20 Apr 2025

Edirim said:
service PVR Morning Extras Afternoon Extras Notes
1
11
3
3
10
7
1
1
100
10
5
1
11
14
1
1
1 works onto 15 AM
1 works onto 15 PM
12
6
0
0
14
8
1
1
15
3
1
3
1 starts as 11 and ends as X26
1 ends as X31
1 ends as 11
16
18
1
0
1 starts as 11/22
17
4
1
0
1 ends as N35
includes N17
18
7
3
0
includes N18
19
10
1
1
1 starts as X37
1 ends as 12
2 end as X37s
2
8
0
0
20
1
0
0
21
15
0
0
2 start as 25s
1 ends as 15
22 & 22A
6
1
3
2 evening workings
23
8
2
0
1 starts as X47
24
11
0
1
25
14
0
0
1 starts as X29
1 ends as X29
3 MA boards
26
22
1
2
1 starts as X26
1 ends as N26
27
10
1
1
1 starts as 37
29
11
1
0
1 starts as X29/34
1 ends as 47/47B
3
20
0
0
30
19
1
0
2 start as 38s
31
13
2
2
1 starts as X47
32
2
0
0
33
10
1
0
1 starts as X33 / 34
34
9
1
1
1 starts as 21
interworks with 35
35
12
0
0
1 ends as N35
interworks with 34
36
7
2
2
37
14
2
1
1 starts as X31
1 starts as 19/8
1 does 47B midshift
1 ends as X37
38
6
0
1
4
9
0
0
44
19
1
2
45
5
0
0
46 & 48
14
0
0
47 & 47B
11
1
2
1 starts as X47
1 ends as 34 / X33
1 ends as 15
49
9
1
0
5
8
0
1
1 evening working
7
8
1
1
8
7
0
0
9
6
0
3
1 LS board
2 MA boards - 1 ends as X31
N11 & N16
4
0
0
N14
1
0
0
N22 & N30
4
0
0
N25
3
0
0
N26
2
0
0
N3
2
0
0
N31 & N44
2
0
0
1 starts as 25
N37
2
0
0
X26
0
3
2
2 start as 25s
3 go onto 25s
X29
0
0
1
starts as 25
X31
0
2
1
1 goes onto 25
1 goes onto 15
X33
0
3
1
1 starts as 34
3 go onto 34
X37
0
1
1
X47
0
1
1
1 starts as 45
1 goes onto 9

And finally Non-school day monday for Lothian Buses.

So the PVR on the 1 is 14, not 11.

Just to be clear, the PVR is the peak vehicle requirement. You never need more than the PVR, the PVR is the peak requirement!

Edirim · 20 Apr 2025

citybus2500 said:
So the PVR on the 1 is 14, not 11.

Just to be clear, the PVR is the peak vehicle requirement. You never need more than the PVR, the PVR is the peak requirement

Updated to daytime service...

Bus9120UK · 20 Apr 2025

VioletEclipse said:
So a few of the tour Gemini 3s are seemingly near Stoke on Trent in England, I'm assuming that this is for electric conversions?

That's where the trackers were frozen manually, they are in the New Power facility in Bicester near Oxford.

ian1944 · 20 Apr 2025

On the 0940 120 ex-NB today (didn't notice the number) and amused to hear "bilingual" next stop announcements. First a posh English woman with occasional mispronunciation (e.g Tantallon, Tieninghame), five seconds later the Scottish one (correspondingly, Tantallon and Tinningham as per normal usage).

FlybeDash8Q400 · 20 Apr 2025

ian1944 said:
On the 0940 120 ex-NB today (didn't notice the number) and amused to hear "bilingual" next stop announcements. First a posh English woman with occasional mispronunciation (e.g Tantallon, Tieninghame), five seconds later the Scottish one (correspondingly, Tantallon and Tinningham as per normal usage).

On the 3 ex Eve MMC’s, the Scottish voice provides the next stop announcements while an English one supplies a rather annoying ‘This is a [insert route number] Service to [insert destination]’ every time the doors open.

Much like we saw when the BZL’s debuted, it’s pronunciation of a few stops is awful. Whitekirk would be my favourite.

VioletEclipse · 21 Apr 2025

FlybeDash8Q400 said:
On the 3 ex Eve MMC’s, the Scottish voice provides the next stop announcements while an English one supplies a rather annoying ‘This is a [insert route number] Service to [insert destination]’ every time the doors open.

Much like we saw when the BZL’s debuted, it’s pronunciation of a few stops is awful. Whitekirk would be my favourite.

what a clunky mess, seriously it can't have been too difficult to at the least ensure the correct pronounciations.

buslad1988 · 22 Apr 2025

buslad1988 said:
Since the last change there are now atleast a few Marine Sunday boards (service 5 as an example) which have dedicated time built in within the day for ‘Marine Charging’ - so that’s a sign of things to come.

Now confirmed from internal sources (who wish to be unnamed) that service 5 at Marine will be converted to electric BZL operation shortly. It should have happened from the change, if the vehicles had been available. Full announcement and press release from Lothian coming soon.

FlybeDash8Q400 · 23 Apr 2025

buslad1988 said:
Now confirmed from internal sources (who wish to be unnamed) that service 5 at Marine will be converted to electric BZL operation shortly. It should have happened from the change, if the vehicles had been available. Full announcement and press release from Lothian coming soon.

I should imagine this may be in the next batch of 48. 701-750 are all for Central.

Certainly it would solve the numbers not adding up at Central. An additional 48 seemed too many.

Resuwen · 23 Apr 2025

Once they arrive I‘d expect ralid progress in the withdrawal of the remaining 08, 09 and 10 plates.

Probably a start on the 11s too - the question is whether native or ex-Londons go first.

danielhogg2005 · 23 Apr 2025

Resuwen said:
Once they arrive I‘d expect ralid progress in the withdrawal of the remaining 08, 09 and 10 plates.

Probably a start on the 11s too - the question is whether native or ex-Londons go first.

Maybe also a service increase where it's required in the network, such as West Lothian.

stevenedin · 23 Apr 2025

There is currently 16 x BZLs to come into service.

It will be interesting to see what they will see off as there are only 5 older B9TLs at Lothian Country plus the ex Londons.

There are 11 Skylink buses left at Lothian but there are 17 older B9TLs at East Coast Buses so there will still be 6 left in service if they gain all 11 Skylink buses.

This isn't including 905, 906, 926, 927 & 928 at Lothian so I'm wondering if these will last a bit longer or if some of the batch due for Lothian Country will stay with Lothian longer until the next round of BZLs.

FlybeDash8Q400 · 23 Apr 2025

stevenedin said:
There is currently 16 x BZLs to come into service.

It will be interesting to see what they will see off as there are only 5 older B9TLs at Lothian Country plus the ex Londons.

Quite simple really.

4 Gemini3’s from Central to Livingston. This will replace the last 4 buses intended to go there (850, 934-936). 843 already is out of use and doesn’t count towards the total.

Longstone will need another 9 gains to see off 501-509. This should be 672-680. So expect 9 buses to go from Central to Marine to backfill this.

498 and 500 are being prepped for ECB. Alongside 501-509 this totals 11 of the 13 buses required to replace 937-950 (944 as stated before is already finished). The last two buses should be 934 and 935 freed up from Livingston. What happens with 936 at the moment remains a mystery.

Resuwen · 23 Apr 2025

Why are ECB losing some 10 plates to be replaced with older 09 plates? Presumably a short-term measure?

overthewater · 23 Apr 2025

Are any of these buses getting put into storage?

Graeme Duncan · 23 Apr 2025

Despite it,s age I saw 927 on service 23 earlier on this week and still looks immaculate.

JasonGillblox · 23 Apr 2025

Resuwen said:
Why are ECB losing some 10 plates to be replaced with older 09 plates? Presumably a short-term measure?

As 09s have done ~250,000 less miles than the 10s.

R Scandle · 23 Apr 2025

Lothian have had the registrations XIL1480-1485 for over 20 years and have used them on lots of buses and ancillary vehicles during that time.

Is there a record of which vehicles and when?

JasonGillblox · 23 Apr 2025

R Scandle said:
Lothian have had the registrations XIL1480-1485 for over 20 years and have used them on lots of buses and ancillary vehicles during that time.

Is there a record of which vehicles and when?

I don't know of any records but if you search for enough websites, you should find one - my method of checking would be google image searching the plates.

ScotRail158725 · 23 Apr 2025

danielhogg2005 said:
Maybe also a service increase where it's required in the network, such as West Lothian.

If there is ever a service increase in west Lothian the vehicle requirement wont rise by much, single figures anyway

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FlybeDash8Q400 said:
Quite simple really.

4 Gemini3’s from Central to Livingston. This will replace the last 4 buses intended to go there (850, 934-936). 843 already is out of use and doesn’t count towards the total.

Longstone will need another 9 gains to see off 501-509. This should be 672-680. So expect 9 buses to go from Central to Marine to backfill this.

Im surprise this never happened with the timetable change at the start of April, goes to show how slow the process is with getting these BZLs in service

FlybeDash8Q400 said:
498 and 500 are being prepped for ECB. Alongside 501-509 this totals 11 of the 13 buses required to replace 937-950 (944 as stated before is already finished). The last two buses should be 934 and 935 freed up from Livingston. What happens with 936 at the moment remains a mystery.

never knew 944 was actually done already. Take it it must be knackered then?

Resuwen · 23 Apr 2025

Wonder if the reg plates off 841-50 will be redeployed on other vehicles

JKP · 23 Apr 2025

R Scandle said:
Lothian have had the registrations XIL1480-1485 for over 20 years and have used them on lots of buses and ancillary vehicles during that time.

Is there a record of which vehicles and when?

I would imagine that the PSV Circle has full details recorded of these vehicles but you would have to join that Society to find out.

danielhogg2005 · 23 Apr 2025

How many seats do 191-193 (Former EVE 200 MMC's) accommodate?

airantraigh · 24 Apr 2025

Unsure if this has been noted yet, but noticed bus 1 has been fitted with a display board the same as the side ones on the BZLs where the central display screen is on some of the other 7900hs

scosutsut · 24 Apr 2025

danielhogg2005 said:
How many seats do 191-193 (Former EVE 200 MMC's) accommodate?

191/2 have 34 and 193 has 30 according to BLOTW, I can't link the page directly as they use URL masking however if you go into search and use the query in bold below in the owner field, it will return them towards the bottom of the list.

Eve,Dunbar

Source: https://www.buslistsontheweb.co.uk/

JasonGillblox · 26 Apr 2025

ScotRail158725 said:
never knew 944 was actually done already. Take it it must be knackered then?

Had a break down after a few underlying issues. These were solved and they never bothered to return it to service despite it being fit as there's a good number of vehicles at ECB.

atfd26 · 27 Apr 2025

Was it 675 that crashed last night. Looks like quite a bad one

FlybeDash8Q400 · 27 Apr 2025

atfd26 said:
Was it 675 that crashed last night. Looks like quite a bad one

Yes it was. Believe it’s the second collision this week after recently repainted 4 was shunted at the rear on Wednesday in Leith Links.

ScotRail158725 · 27 Apr 2025

FlybeDash8Q400 said:
Yes it was. Believe it’s the second collision this week after recently repainted 4 was shunted at the rear on Wednesday in Leith Links.

Been quite a few accidents recently

atfd26 · 27 Apr 2025

ScotRail158725 said:
Been quite a few accidents recently

That means that 4, 1045, 587 and now 675 are out at least, is there anymore?

service	PVR	Morning Extras	Afternoon Extras	Notes
1	11	3	3
10	7	1	1
100	10	5	1
11	14	1	1	1 works onto 15 AM 1 works onto 15 PM
12	6	0	0
14	8	1	1
15	3	1	3	1 starts as 11 and ends as X26 1 ends as X31 1 ends as 11
16	18	1	0	1 starts as 11/22
17	4	1	0	1 ends as N35 includes N17
18	7	3	0	includes N18
19	10	1	1	1 starts as X37 1 ends as 12 2 end as X37s
2	8	0	0
20	1	0	0
21	15	0	0	2 start as 25s 1 ends as 15
22 & 22A	6	1	3	2 evening workings
23	8	2	0	1 starts as X47
24	11	0	1
25	14	0	0	1 starts as X29 1 ends as X29 3 MA boards
26	22	1	2	1 starts as X26 1 ends as N26
27	10	1	1	1 starts as 37
29	11	1	0	1 starts as X29/34 1 ends as 47/47B
3	20	0	0
30	19	1	0	2 start as 38s
31	13	2	2	1 starts as X47
32	2	0	0
33	10	1	0	1 starts as X33 / 34
34	9	1	1	1 starts as 21 interworks with 35
35	12	0	0	1 ends as N35 interworks with 34
36	7	2	2
37	14	2	1	1 starts as X31 1 starts as 19/8 1 does 47B midshift 1 ends as X37
38	6	0	1
4	9	0	0
44	19	1	2
45	5	0	0
46 & 48	14	0	0
47 & 47B	11	1	2	1 starts as X47 1 ends as 34 / X33 1 ends as 15
49	9	1	0
5	8	0	1	1 evening working
7	8	1	1
8	7	0	0
9	6	0	3	1 LS board 2 MA boards - 1 ends as X31
N11 & N16	4	0	0
N14	1	0	0
N22 & N30	4	0	0
N25	3	0	0
N26	2	0	0
N3	2	0	0
N31 & N44	2	0	0	1 starts as 25
N37	2	0	0
X26	0	3	2	2 start as 25s 3 go onto 25s
X29	0	0	1	starts as 25
X31	0	2	1	1 goes onto 25 1 goes onto 15
X33	0	3	1	1 starts as 34 3 go onto 34
X37	0	1	1
X47	0	1	1	1 starts as 45 1 goes onto 9

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