Man killed by freight train in Manc Pic

[adamp]

Quite a sad happening...
A man stepped infront of an oncoming freight train in the early hours this morning
Hope driver is ok
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1191253_man_killed_in_piccadilly_train_horror

 

[royaloak]

A sad time for all involved, wonder if the M6 would have been closed for 8 hours after a non suspicious fatality?

 

[poshbakerloo]

Ooh I heard of this...I can't even imagine how it happened, unless he was crazy and jumped into the tracks...

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Ooh I heard of this...I can't even imagine how it happened, unless he was crazy and jumped into the tracks...

Shall we try and have a little respect for the driver, and the man's family, and the witnesses?

RIP to the man involved.

 

[poshbakerloo]

RIP to the man involved.

although I don't know if thats what happened...What if it was deliberate, like that crazy guy that drove his car onto the crossing in-front of a HST, his fault, not a 'tragedy' about him, just all the other people who died at his hands...

 

[ralphchadkirk]

What if it was deliberate, like that crazy guy that drove his car onto the crossing in-front of a HST, his fault, not a 'tragedy' about him, just all the other people who died at his hands...

All suicide is deliberate. It is still a tragedy that someone died, and the same for everyone. When someone is suicidal, they don't make the connection between jumping in front of a train and the horror of the person driving it.

As I said, a little respect would be nice.

 

[trickyvegas]

I'm a little confused over the time given as 4.15am, as I got the 7.44 from Stalybridge to Liverpool this morning and it was only when it arrived at Ardwick that the train was to terminate at Piccadilly due to the fatality.

 

[ailsa]

...that crazy guy that drove his car onto the crossing in-front of a HST, his fault, not a 'tragedy' about him, just all the other people who died at his hands...

The incident at Ufton Nervet was very much a tragedy for the driver, the passengers that died, and their families and friends.

I suspect that the man's life must have been awful for him to do what he did, which is also tragic.

I don't suppose he thought, 'let's crash a train and get myself killed, it will be a laugh!' - do you?

 

[dk1]

The incident at Ufton Nervet was very much a tragedy for the driver, the passengers that died, and their families and friends.

I suspect that the man's life must have been awful for him to do what he did, which is also tragic.

I don't suppose he thought, 'let's crash a train and get myself killed, it will be a laugh!' - do you?

Not wanting to rake over old ground but what i found so selfish at Ufton Nervet & laterly at Swainsthorpe is the fact they did it in a vehicle which can & did have severe consequences. The latter suicide even loaded his car with cans of petrol!! It was particually gauling to here his family describe him in a local newspaper as a caring person.

 

[ailsa]

I'm not familiar with the second incident you mention.

Parking your car in front of a train is idiotic, and I in no way condone what the car driver did - but suicidal people don't think rationally. I don't think it helps that some members of the (non-rail-enthusiast) public seem to think that trains are unstoppable or indestructable. And then there are people who feel so wronged by life that they want to take as many people with them as they can, and you have to wonder how they ended up like that. Either way it's a tragic situation.

 

[Greeny]

I’m afraid I have no sympathy whatsoever for the deceased if it was a suicide. My sympathy goes to the poor sod driving the train, those that have to look at it and scrape it up afterwards, and to the family of the deceased. As far as the length of time the line was blocked is concerned, it is simply that whilst the keystones are dealing with that, they can’t be asked to do something else and I’ve seen them cracking their faces whilst telling their Control Room that they are still dealing with the fatality so can’t leave it.

G

 

[adamp]

I'm a little confused over the time given as 4.15am, as I got the 7.44 from Stalybridge to Liverpool this morning and it was only when it arrived at Ardwick that the train was to terminate at Piccadilly due to the fatality.

It happened early hours of the morning but basically the whole station was shut because of it. And only reopened after dinner time. the train you were on would have used the through platforms which were blocked due to the fatality, so the train would of terminated as it couldnt get through to the liverpool line.
Adam

 

[ralphchadkirk]

It happened early hours of the morning but basically the whole station was shut because of it. And only reopened after dinner time. the train you were on would have used the through platforms which were blocked due to the fatality, so the train would of terminated as it couldnt get through to the liverpool line.

Not the whole station - only platforms 13 & 14.

 

[TDK]

All suicide is deliberate. It is still a tragedy that someone died, and the same for everyone. When someone is suicidal, they don't make the connection between jumping in front of a train and the horror of the person driving it.

As I said, a little respect would be nice.

No one has said it is a suicide yet, all you people always jump to conclusions before the facts have been released I suppose it is a spotter thing

 

[MCR247]

I’m afraid I have no sympathy whatsoever for the deceased if it was a suicide. My sympathy goes to the poor sod driving the train, those that have to look at it and scrape it up afterwards, and to the family of the deceased. As far as the length of time the line was blocked is concerned, it is simply that whilst the keystones are dealing with that, they can’t be asked to do something else and I’ve seen them cracking their faces whilst telling their Control Room that they are still dealing with the fatality so can’t leave it.

G

How do you know its a suicide?

 

[TDK]

Quite a sad happening...
A man stepped infront of an oncoming freight train in the early hours this morning
Hope driver is ok
http://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/s/1191253_man_killed_in_piccadilly_train_horror

I don't think the word killed is appropriate, I would say a man has died after being struck by a train as the verb to kill means someone has killed them, this would only be valid if it was a deliberate act

 

[GB]

I don't think the word killed is appropriate, I would say a man has died after being struck by a train as the verb to kill means someone has killed them, this would only be valid if it was a deliberate act

Killed in this context is perfectly valid (as is died) as killed doesnt have to refer to a persons actions and in this case it is an object (train).

Its the same as saying a man was killed from falling debry from a bridge...

 

[poshbakerloo]

How do you know its a suicide?

He said "if it was"...note the word IF!

Sorry for nit picking, but most users here seem to so I might as well join in...

 

[ukrob]

No one has said it is a suicide yet, all you people always jump to conclusions before the facts have been released I suppose it is a spotter thing

How do you know its a suicide?

The fact that the police have said it was not suspicious rules out just about everything other than suicide or accident. Rightly or wrongly, it is a natural assumption. I am coming from a neutral viewpoint as I haven't commented either way (this is my first post in the thread).

"All you people" and "a spotter thing" are pretty derogative remarks by the way TDK - you are better than that.

 

[90019]

"All you people" and "a spotter thing" are pretty derogative remarks by the way TDK - you are better than that.

He does have a point though. Most times when something like that comes up on here, people seem to assume that it was a suicide and not an accident.

 

[StewieG]

He does have a point though. Most times when something like that comes up on here, people seem to assume that it was a suicide and not an accident.

And i've seen from a lot of posts that people seem to take a negative stance on the poor person involved who was killed too.

I obviously understand how bad it must be for the driver and witnesses to see it happen, but i've only see a minority of people understand and reason on behalf of the fact that someone is suicidal, they dont think logically, and I think personally it's derogatory to the deceased for people to talk about them in that way.

 

[ukrob]

He does have a point though. Most times when something like that comes up on here, people seem to assume that it was a suicide and not an accident.

I don't deny he has a point - but that doesn't change the fact that he thinks he is better than 'spotters' and that they can be grouped together as 'you people'. That is just plain rudeness (and out of character too).

 

[90019]

I don't deny he has a point - but that doesn't change the fact that he thinks he is better than 'spotters' and that they can be grouped together as 'you people'. That is just plain rudeness (and out of character too).

I don't deny that, I was just saying that he had a point.

And i've seen from a lot of posts that people seem to take a negative stance on the poor person involved who was killed too.

I obviously understand how bad it must be for the driver and witnesses to see it happen, but i've only see a minority of people understand and reason on behalf of the fact that someone is suicidal, they dont think logically, and I think personally it's derogatory to the deceased for people to talk about them in that way.

Indeed, it's interesting how many seem to automatically know exactly what the person was feeling and was thinking at the time.
It's the same that you get with pretty much any situation where a person is under pressure; those looking in can see the obvious solution, but so many think that they could see it if they were in the same situation, which mostly isn't the case. When a person feels under pressure, they don't think in the same way as they normally would. (It's why people die in circumstances that, in theory, they should be able to escape from)

 

[yorkie]

No one has said it is a suicide yet, all you people always jump to conclusions before the facts have been released I suppose it is a spotter thing

Who are "all you people?" can we have a list?
Who are "spotters", again can we have a list?
Also can you prove the correlation between being a spotter and jumping to conclusions, or is this a case of jumping to a conclusion also?

'Posh Bakerloo' speaks for no-one but himself.

 

[Old Timer]

Normal "suicides" are gennerally cleared up pretty quickly once the BTP are involved and almost always within 2 hours.

The fact that it took so long means that at the time at the scene there was insufficient evidence to demonstrate that it WAS a suicide. Those who deal with such things will know what I mean.

It sounds like (I dont have the facts) that not all was so obvious and thus it has to be treated as a suspicious death at the time.

 

[royaloak]

Incidents like this make me think that forward facing cameras should be compulsory on all stock not just new build!
A quick look through the download would show the situation before the incident and aid the investigation, also save the driver some of the more in depth questions.

 

[poshbakerloo]

Who are "all you people?" can we have a list?
Who are "spotters", again can we have a list?
Also can you prove the correlation between being a spotter and jumping to conclusions, or is this a case of jumping to a conclusion also?

'Posh Bakerloo' speaks for no-one but himself.

yeah and can I say that me, just like that other guy said, IF it was a suicide etc..."although I don't know if thats what happened"
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Who are "all you people?" can we have a list?
Who are "spotters", again can we have a list?
Also can you prove the correlation between being a spotter and jumping to conclusions, or is this a case of jumping to a conclusion also?

'Posh Bakerloo' speaks for no-one but himself.

calm yourself, its either a light hearted comment, a joke or summit that dnt matter

 

[90019]

yeah and can I say that me, just like that other guy said, IF it was a suicide etc..."although I don't know if thats what happened"

Maybe not, but a little respect to the dead would be preferable.

 

[TDK]

Who are "all you people?" can we have a list?
Who are "spotters", again can we have a list?
Also can you prove the correlation between being a spotter and jumping to conclusions, or is this a case of jumping to a conclusion also?

'Posh Bakerloo' speaks for no-one but himself.

To be honest there are too many people on here that jump to conclusions, deliver incorrect information on a variety of subjects and the majority of them are enthusiasts who in my personal opinion really do need to clarify the information they are posting. The thread re the Moreton-on-Lugg lost my respect for amny on this forum I am afraid. OK, out of character yes, true also yes

 

[ukrob]

A troll over five years in the making.