Michael Gove wants to take us back in time with rubbish disposal

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  1. Bletchleyite

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    Goodness knows, but much as we don't want dog turds all over the floor it would genuinely be better there (and degrading/washing away) than hanging off a tree branch in a plastic bag that will remain intact for thousands of years unless someone removes it.
     
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    I only saw this thread now and think it is a good proposal. The is a deposit in Germany and you can not imagine how many people walk through the train and station to look in the garbagebags. From early in the morning to late in the evening! They also wanted it also to do it in the Netherlands, but the industry and some political groups are against. Costs; so that we have on certain days a cleanup day in the country.
     
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    Plastic bag usage in supermarkets down 90% since 2015

    https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...-supermarkets-figures-reduction-a9029996.html

    Excellent news!
     
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    I distinctly remember the thread in RUK and a member posting that there were unhappy about the 5p charge and now had to bring a bag to use when they went shopping! That just goes to show that some members of the public do eventually get the message but put it down to them being unreasonably inconvenienced. :)
     
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    Indeed I do too - think i know who it was too but i couldnt find the thread so thought this would do in place. Its great news
     
  6. tony_mac

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    That's not actually what it says.
    'Single use' plastic bag usage is down, because they no longer sell them.
    Instead they sell 'multi use' plastic bags (bags for life). Without knowing how many of these are being sold, there is no way to make a comparison.
    But some reports suggests that it's not actually a great picture:-
    https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1...tic-bags-for-life-increase-waste-1-18-billion
    Where Iceland admitted that their plastic usage had actually increased, because these bags use more plastic.
     
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    I seem to recall the 5p was to go to charity? So is this a ruse that by not selling the 5p bags but o ly bags for life they pocket all of the charge?


    As an aside Asda force a 40p carrier bag charge when using click and collect lockers and often use them excessively (bag with only one or sometimes no item in!)
     
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    Also it's talking about the number of bags, not the amount of plastic. A bag for life probably weighs not far off ten times what a flimsy single-use one does, so a 90% reduction in the count of bags issued could mean no reduction in plastic.
     
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    There was a big reduction in plastic when the charge was first introduced.
    in 2006 about 12 billion carrier bags
    In 2014 about 8.5 billion + 500 million bags for life (before the charge)

    In 2016, 2.2 billion + ~600 million bfl (between 500 and 700)
    By 2018, when the supermarkets were removing single use bags, this was
    1.2 billion + 1.2 billion
    The figures I have seen are 10g for a single use bag, and 27g for a reusable bag.

    i.e., the actual plastic used has increased since 2016 by something like 15%.
    The amounts donated to charity have gone down considerably. (£22m last year, according to the article - down from £65m in 2016 - government source)

    (Figures are from a variety of sources, so take with at least a pinch of salt!)
     
  10. 175mph

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    Do France or Italy or Netherlands etc not do the same or similar? :|
     
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    It does seem ridiculous that bottle deposits have been phased out in the relatively recent past in the UK (particularly recently in Scotland - at least as far as A.G. Barr go), when they are an obvious and easy way to counteract waste. I welcome their return.
     
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    Our next door neighbours don’t use plastic bags when they visit the local supermarket. They just load the car boot out of the trolley & then unload the car bit by bit when they get home.

    It’s ok I suppose if you have a driveway so you can back the car right up to the front door.

    Which our neighbours haven’t.

    They park at the end of the parked cars & then walk at least 50 yrds to their front door.
    Some people eh.
    Still I suppose they are doing their bit
     
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    Yeah it wouldn’t be my choice but whatever works for them
     
  14. Cowley

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    I must admit that I do that too because I quite often forget to take bags, and because I can send the teenagers out to the van with the bags to put the shopping in and bring it all in.
     
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    That would work well with the Aldi/Lidl mentality of clearing the till ASAP so all shopping gets chucked back into the trolley then you can either load bags at the counter past the tills or into bags in the boot of the car. I am also one that forgets to take the bags from the boot into the shop
     
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    Yes I definitely do it at Aldi/Lidl because I find it much more relaxing than trying to keep up with the speed they throw the items at you.
    Each to there own, but I always felt tense trying to do everything at once and this worked for me so I do it more and more now.
     
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    It's almost certain, to be honest. I doubt I was alone in using plastic bags as rubbish bags afterwards, so now I use bin bags instead. Thicker plastic, more difficult to break down, great for the environment eh?

    I've always thought the obsession with plastic bags to be misguided. Most plastic in the ocean is industrial in origin- commercial fishing equipment being the big issue. Still, blaming people at the supermarket is a convenient way to deflect attention from the real culprits, eh?

    See also the widespread use of antibiotics in industrial farming; people wanting antibiotics for a sinus infection are to blame instead.
     

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