National Routeing Guide new section E

[OwlMan]

A new section E has been released dated 30 June

ATOC have released a new Section E on 30 June

Changes

DELETED EASEMENTS
39 Journeys from London Euston to Leeds made on tickets routed Virgin XC Only or Virgin Trns Only may go via Birmingham. This easement applies in both directions.
10010 During engineering works journeys between or via Crewe and Manchester may go via Earlestown. This easement applies in both directions.
10011 During engineering works between Taunton and Bristol journeys may go via Castle Cary, Westbury and Bath. This easement applies in both directions.
20010 Passengers using the sleeper northbound from Euston may start their journey with a cross London service.
30097 This easement allows Scotrail Sleeper services to terminate at Watford Junction.
30258 Customers travelling between Woking and Reading West may travel via Basingstoke. This easement applies in both directions.
30259 Customers travelling from Farnborough Main to Reading West may travel via Basingstoke. This easement applies in both directions.
300336 Customers travelling between Kilmarnock and Glasgow Central may travel via Paisley Gilmour Street. This easement applies in both directions.
700095 To allow connection from the Bradford to London and vv Grand Central services into Hull Trains services at Doncaster during engineering works

AMENDED EASEMENTS

300353 Journeys routed (Evesham) and (Evesham/Stroud) may travel via Cheltenham Spa during the period 18/07/2009 to 23/08/2009 inclusive due to engineering works. This easement applies in both directions
now 300353 Journeys routed 'Evesham', 'Evesham/Stroud', 'London Evesham', 'London Strd/Evshm' and 'AP Evesham' may travel via Cheltenham Spa during the period 28/05/2011 to 06/06/2011 inclusive due to engineering works. This easement applies in both directions.
700040 Customers travelling from Hanborough to Didcot Parkway and beyond may travel via Oxford. This easement applies in both directions.
now 700040 Customers travelling from Hanborough, Combe, Finstock and Charlbury to Didcot Parkway and beyond may travel via Oxford. This easement applies in both directions.

ADDED EASEMENTS

700144 During Engineering Works until 17th July 2011 inclusive, customers holding tickets using fare route LANCASTER may travel via Oxenholme Lake District avoiding travel via Lancaster.
700145 Customers travelling from Bedwyn, Hungerford and Kintbury via Westbury in possession of tickets routed 'not London' may travel via Reading West. This easement applies in both directions.
700146 Customers travelling to or from Southport via Liverpool South Parkway may travel via Sandhills. This easement applies in both directions.
700147 Customers travelling from Stonehouse, Stroud or Kemble via Chippenham may travel via Swindon. This easement applies in either direction.
700148 Customers travelling from Stonehouse, Stroud or Kemble via Bristol Parkway may travel via Swindon. This easement applies in both directions.
700149 Customers travelling from Hereford to Birmingham New Street in possession of tickets routed 'Any Permitted' may not travel via Shrewsbury. This easement applies in both directions.
700150 Journeys routed 'Evesham', 'Evesham/Stroud', 'London Evesham', 'London Strd/Evshm' and 'AP Evesham' may travel via Bristol Parkway during the period 26/05/2011 to 06/06/2011, due to Engineering works. This easement applies in both directions.
700151 During the period 20/05/2011 to 17/07/2011 customers travelling to/from Barrow in Furness, Roose, Dalton, Ulverston, Cark, Kents Bank, Grange Over Sands and Arnside may travel via Oxenhiolme. This easement applies in both directions.
700152 Journeys routed 'Evesham', 'Evesham/Stroud', 'London Evesham', 'London Strd/Evshm' and 'AP Evesham' may travel via Cheltenham Spa inclusive, during the period 04 August 2011 to 08 August 2011, This easement applies in both directions.
700153 Customers travelling from Lincoln to Shireoaks, Kiveton Park, Kiveton Bridge, Woodhouse, Darnall and Sheffield in possession of tickets routed 'Retford' may not travel via Doncaster. This easement applies in both directions.
700154 Customers travelling from Crewe to Padgate, Birchwood, Glazebrook and Irlam in possession of tickets routed 'Direct' may not travel via Manchester Oxford Road and/or Manchester Piccadilly. This easement applies in both directions.
700156 Customers travelling from Barnsley to Adwick, Bentley or Doncaster, in possession of tickets routed 'Any Permitted' may not travel via Leeds. This easement applies in both directions.
700157 Customers travelling from Selby to Doncaster in possession of tickets routed 'DIRECT' may not travel via York. This easement applies in both directions.
700158 Customers travelling from Adwick to Brighouse in possession of tickets routed 'Any Permitted' may not travel via Leeds. This easement applies in both directions.
700159 Customers travelling from Carstairs to Haymarket or Edinburgh in possession of tickets routed 'Any Permitted' may not travel via Motherwell. This easement applies in both directions.
700160 Customers travelling from Congleton via Stoke on Trent may not travel via Macclesfield. This easement applies in both directions.
700161 Customers travelling from Dunbar to Newcastle and beyond in possession of tickets routed 'DIRECT' may not travel via Edinburgh. This easement applies in both directions.
700163 Customers travelling from Acton Bridge, Hartford, Winsford, Sanbach, Holmes Chapel, Goostrey or Nantwich to Warrington Stations, Frodsham, Runcorn East, Widnes, Sankey, Padgate, Birchwood, Glazebrook or Irlam in possession of tickets routed 'DIRECT' may not travel via Manchester Oxford Road.
700164 Customers travelling from Possilpark, Gilshochill, Summerston, Maryhill, Kelvindale, Anniesland, Westerton, Drumchapel, Drumry and Singer to or via Dumbarton Central may not travel via Glasgow Queen Street. This easement applies in both directions.
700166 Customers travelling from Dunbar to Acklington, Widdrington, Pegswood,Morpeth, Cramlington and Manors in possession of tickets routed 'Any Permitted' may travel via Edinburgh. This easement applies in both directions.
700167 Customers travelling from Dunbar to Morpeth in possession of tickets routed 'Any Permitted' may travel via Edinburgh. This easement applies in both directions.
700168 Customers travelling to/from New Malden, Berrylands, Surbiton, Thames Ditton or Hampton Court and in possession of tickets using fare route 'Woking' may not travel via London Waterloo.
700169 Customers travelling to/from Manchester Airport, Heald Green, Gatley, East Didsbury, Burnage and Mauldeth Road to Cherry Tree, Mill Hill and Blackburn in possession of tickets routed 'Any Permitted' may not travel via Preston. This easement applies in both directions.
700170 Customers travelling to/from Manchester Airport, Heald Green, Gatley, East Didsbury, Burnage and Mauldeth Road to destinations via Blackburn in possession of tickets routed 'Any Permitted' may not travel via Preston. This easement applies in both directions.

Peter

 

[CheapAndNerdy]

700146 Customers travelling to or from Southport via Liverpool South Parkway may travel via Sandhills. This easement applies in both directions.

This one is a bit odd. There are direct services between Liverpool South Parkway and Southport, and they all go via Sandhills. Are there other ways of getting to Southport via LS Parkway? Wigan maybe, but it seems a bit of a detour when there are direct services.

 

[Jordy]

30097 This easement allows Scotrail Sleeper services to terminate at Watford Junction.

Does it? Right...

 

[wintonian]

This one is a bit odd. There are direct services between Liverpool South Parkway and Southport, and they all go via Sandhills. Are there other ways of getting to Southport via LS Parkway? Wigan maybe, but it seems a bit of a detour when there are direct services.

I would say that is an invalid easement and can be ignored as such as direct trains are always following a permitted route.

Section E (the green pages) lists easements which apply to routeings.
Journeys on direct trains or taking the route of shortest distance or a distance longer
by no more than 3 miles are always following a permitted route. Journeys following a
route given by the Routeing Guide are following a permitted route.

Maybe it should say; ...must travel via Sandhills?

 

[bnm]

10011 Was always a strange rather pointless easement. The Routeing Guide map SW already allows journeys between Taunton (or points further west) and Bristol (and further afield) to go via Westbury.

 

[yorkie]

It's not uncommon to find completely pointless easements that state the obvious. At the other end of the scale there are pointless easements for the oopposite reason; they disallow something that isn't valid anyway! The people who type up these easements appear to lack basic common sense, intelligence, and geographical knowledge. In other words, a trained monkey could probably do no worse.

 

[First class]

Does it? Right...

The Scotrail easement must be to allow Break of Journey for some tickets in the event it is curtailed at Watford.

Customers may not start,
break and resume, or end their
journey at any intermediate
station except to change to/
from connecting trains as
shown on the ticket(s) or
other valid travel itinerary

Northern Rail were the sponsoring TOC for the Sandhills easement.

 

[Statto]

The Scotrail easement must be to allow Break of Journey for some tickets in the event it is curtailed at Watford.



Northern Rail were the sponsoring TOC for the Sandhills easement.

That's weird, Sandhills is Merseyrail, Northern Rail easement should read permitted via Lime Street on Southport-[stn]LPY[/stn] Any Permitted Route tickets.

 

[bnm]

now 300353 Journeys routed 'Evesham', 'Evesham/Stroud', 'London Evesham', 'London Strd/Evshm' and 'AP Evesham' may travel via Cheltenham Spa during the period 28/05/2011 to 06/06/2011 inclusive due to engineering works. This easement applies in both directions.

and...

700150 Journeys routed 'Evesham', 'Evesham/Stroud', 'London Evesham', 'London Strd/Evshm' and 'AP Evesham' may travel via Bristol Parkway during the period 26/05/2011 to 06/06/2011, due to Engineering works. This easement applies in both directions.

And these amended easements have been published on 30/06/2011. Useful :roll:

 

[OwlMan]

and...


And these amended easements have been published on 30/06/2011. Useful :roll:

Nothing like a bit of forward thinking

 

[spasmj]

Nothing like a bit of forward thinking

I suspect this means that the easements were implemented a few weeks ago and they've only just bothered to publish them.

700157 Customers travelling from Selby to Doncaster in possession of tickets routed 'DIRECT' may not travel via York. This easement applies in both directions.

Another interesting one. Perhaps needed because the eNRG understands the term 'Direct' even less than the rest of us. I'd have thought that in this situation it was pretty clear!

700158 Customers travelling from Adwick to Brighouse in possession of tickets routed 'Any Permitted' may not travel via Leeds. This easement applies in both directions.

Ones like this could have a negative effect for them in a way - since we know that ATOC are very sloppy (ref: easement 700143) in implementing this sort of easement it might be worth looking for other exploits in the area.

 

[wintonian]

I suspect this means that the easements were implemented a few weeks ago and they've only just bothered to publish them.

The routing guide is the definitive answer to what is permitted and what is not and if the correct version hasn't even been published yet then.. um.. well.. :roll:

More I would think to do with the TOC's not completely understanding the update process and how long it takes and the person who updates it probably couldn't care less if they were typing in easements valid until 1966 or from 2066. In much thae same way that some bod with a calculator has decided to do a promotion but the guards and ticket office staff only find out after the promotion has ended. :roll:

 

[island]

Does it? Right...

It doesn't any more now that it's been removed!

 

[158757]

700158 Customers travelling from Adwick to Brighouse in possession of tickets routed 'Any Permitted' may not travel via Leeds. This easement applies in both directions.

This one is good-put Adwick to Brighouse into NRE and see where most journeys are routed via! Now puts a nice long connection in as trains from Adwick to Wakefield arrive at xx52, and trains from Wakefield to Brighouse depart at......xx41 (or xx29, or xx47, or whatever time it is each hour now). Either way now a nice +35 wait minimum at Wakefield!
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Also have services at Carstairs and Edinburgh been improved since the easements above were added?

 

[gnolife]

700163 Customers travelling from Acton Bridge, Hartford, Winsford, Sanbach, Holmes Chapel, Goostrey or Nantwich to Warrington Stations, Frodsham, Runcorn East, Widnes, Sankey, Padgate, Birchwood, Glazebrook or Irlam in possession of tickets routed 'DIRECT' may not travel via Manchester Oxford Road.
Peter

I want to know what definiton of Direct these people use?
Taking the example of Goostrey to Birchwood
Miles (using railmiles.org), taking the walk from Warrington Bank Quay to Warrington Central to be negligible
Goostrey to Warrington Bank Quay via Crewe - 34mi 40ch
Warrington Central to Birchwood - 3 mi 14ch
total via WCML - 37mi 54ch
Goostrey to Birchwood via Heaton Chapel - 33mi 50ch
so via Crewe is invalid by the 3 miles of shortest route rule surely?

As for changes - via Crewe, change at Crewe, Warrington BQ and Warrington C
via Stockport - Change at Manchester Piccadilly only
Wouldn't it also be possible to avoid the restriction by walking from Piccadilly to Deansgate, and picking up the Northern stopper at Deansgate?

 

[323235]

I don't know why they waste their time writing these easements. It just turns into more of a farce the more they mess with them.

 

[island]

I don't know why they waste their time writing these easements. It just turns into more of a farce the more they mess with them.

Truth accepted!

 

[Solent&Wessex]

This one is good-put Adwick to Brighouse into NRE and see where most journeys are routed via! Now puts a nice long connection in as trains from Adwick to Wakefield arrive at xx52, and trains from Wakefield to Brighouse depart at......xx41 (or xx29, or xx47, or whatever time it is each hour now). Either way now a nice +35 wait minimum at Wakefield!
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Also have services at Carstairs and Edinburgh been improved since the easements above were added?

This is another one of these stupid easements where they have obviously realised there is an anomaly, but rather than put in two sets of fares with different routing i.e. a "Route Any Permitted" fare which is valid via Leeds, and a "Route Not Leeds" fare which isn't, they just put this stupid restriction in. In reality you will probably find that no one on trains or stations knows about it anyway, and as the NRE website and others don't seem to interpret these things correctly you would probably be perfectly safe going via Leeds anyway.

 

[spasmj]

The routing guide is the definitive answer to what is permitted and what is not and if the correct version hasn't even been published yet then.. um.. well.. :roll:

In theory yes, but more recently the easements list has come to read like a revision history of bug fixes for the eNRG. It wouldn't be at all surprising if routeing guide updates got to the eNRG via RJIS data feeds before the publicly available pdf's were (manually?) updated.

 

[John @ home]

more recently the easements list has come to read like a revision history of bug fixes for the eNRG.

Agreed.

It wouldn't be at all surprising if routeing guide updates got to the eNRG via RJIS data feeds before the publicly available pdf's were (manually?) updated.

Does eNRG still exist? The last I remember reading about it was Barry Doe in RAIL lamenting that the only person employed by ATOC who knew how to update it had left the organisation and speculating that it was unlikely to be updated. It was then removed from the ATOC site.

My understanding is that each of the booking engines has to have code written to implement the Guide. Hence the discrepancies which seem to occur when the Guide fails to define the order in which rules are to be implemented. All this presupposes the existence of an accurate Routeing Guide.

 

[spasmj]

Agreed. Does eNRG still exist? The last I remember reading about it was Barry Doe in RAIL lamenting that the only person employed by ATOC who knew how to update it had left the organisation and speculating that it was unlikely to be updated. It was then removed from the ATOC site.

My understanding is that each of the booking engines has to have code written to implement the Guide. Hence the discrepancies which seem to occur when the Guide fails to define the order in which rules are to be implemented. All this presupposes the existence of an accurate Routeing Guide.

I probably shouldn't have written eNRG; I meant the engine which powers the National Rail Enquiries site.

 

[snail]

Customers travelling from Acton Bridge, Hartford, Winsford, Sanbach, Holmes Chapel, Goostrey or Nantwich to Warrington Stations, Frodsham, Runcorn East, Widnes, Sankey, Padgate, Birchwood, Glazebrook or Irlam in possession of tickets routed 'DIRECT' may not travel via Manchester Oxford Road.

I want to know what definiton of Direct these people use?

The one that covers travel from Crewe to Warrington. Through tickets between the listed stations are cheaper than combined tickets via Manchester. It would have been clearer to have route NOT MANCHESTER.

 

[yorkie]

If the ticket is routed Direct or Any Permitted then I would refuse to pay any extra fare when travelling on the shortest route or direct trains. To be fair, no guard is actually going to try that on, surely? ATOC live in their own fantasy world and think they can make ludicrous rules up on a whim. Some of these would surely not stand up in court?!
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The one that covers travel from Crewe to Warrington. Through tickets between the listed stations are cheaper than combined tickets via Manchester. It would have been clearer to have route NOT MANCHESTER.

ATOC don't actually care how clear it is. They appear to make ticketing deliberately confusing and ensure that we cannot be confident whether tickets are valid or not because the validity is so hard to determine when the rules are unclear. Yet they blatantly lie by making outrageous claims that you can 'buy with confidence' and that our ticketing is 'simple' - this is so untrue it's unbelieveable!! They claim that Super Off Peak is always more restrictive than Off Peak, but someone on an Off Peak Day on the 1900 from King's Cross would - totally unexpectedly - be asked to pay an excess to the SUPER Off Peak fare! (anyone want to try that, refuse to pay, contest the UPFN and inform the media? I think EC/ATOC could be slaughtered by the press for that).

Their claims are not just little lies, but the complete OPPOSITE Of the actual truth.

And the DfT lets them get away with it. And looks set to continue to do so for the forseeable future.

 

[mm333]

This one is good-put Adwick to Brighouse into NRE and see where most journeys are routed via! Now puts a nice long connection in as trains from Adwick to Wakefield arrive at xx52, and trains from Wakefield to Brighouse depart at......xx41 (or xx29, or xx47, or whatever time it is each hour now). Either way now a nice +35 wait minimum at Wakefield!

Adwick-Brighouse not via Leeds on a Sunday would be fun as there's no Hudds-Wakefield services. Let's go Adwick-Doncaster-Meadowhall-Huddersfield-Brighouse shall we?

Even if there's a GC train coming, that'd still be Adwick-Westgate-walk to Kirkgate-Brighouse