There is only a disabled toilet, National Rail is incorrect
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No working toilet on the train.
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duffield
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Absolutely. That was done at Northampton on the London Midland service l mentioned previously. The problem late at night is station toilets being locked too.
All too often there is liquid sloshing right to the brim.....
Bletchleyite
Veteran Member
Unfortunately vandalism tends to put paid to that. But if individuals tend to be often in need of use of the toilet they can obtain a RADAR key - anyone can - you don't need a diagnosis for whatever it is that causes a frequency/urgency issue.
Trains can be vandalised, that's no reason not to have them.
This is fundamentally an excuse for cost saving.
Bletchleyite
Veteran Member
Trains have staff.
Are you proposing staffing every tiny little station 24/7? Yes, I know, Merseyrail, but imagine the cost if that policy applied nationally?
Bradford Forster Square also has staff.
Bletchleyite
Veteran Member
I'd agree Bradford FS should have toilets and I'm surprised it doesn't.
I would imagine it's a space issue. There isn't an obvious place they could fit.
Bletchleyite
Veteran Member
True. Does the booking office not give out a key to the disabled if asked? This isn't unusual.
They might, the National Rail page suggests they have one to give out. Wouldn't know without someone trying.
They could build it into one of the arches. It's a poor show, considering it was only built recently.
MichaelTrains
Member
The disabled use the staff toilet from experience.
There’s never ever been any toilets at Forster Square since it was rebuilt.
Without picking out extracts of previous posts.
If the toilet was out of use at the terminus / starting point first even without any remote indication to the crew it ought to be checked then if a problem found an announcement can be made.
Given this was the last train and here just one toilet on the train but generally if more than one and all out of use arrangements should have been made for ' comfort break ' stops. The same for a sparse service.
In theory every train having a supply of emergency bags is sensible. In reality will they not go missing? Even if not do they have a shelf life?
If the toilet was out of use at the terminus / starting point first even without any remote indication to the crew it ought to be checked then if a problem found an announcement can be made.
Given this was the last train and here just one toilet on the train but generally if more than one and all out of use arrangements should have been made for ' comfort break ' stops. The same for a sparse service.
In theory every train having a supply of emergency bags is sensible. In reality will they not go missing? Even if not do they have a shelf life?
Where do you put said bags in a toilet, if windows opened you could chuck them on track PROVIDED bags bio degradable. as we are all green now
Bletchleyite
Veteran Member
In a bin bag. They contain crystals to absorb the liquid. In essence it's a plastic bag with cat litter in it.
This is now turning into a big problem. Lots of people don't have cast iron bladders, I don't. Have you ever wet yourself? I don't suppose you have? It ain't nice. humiliating, experience. The tax payer's, ie you me, subsidise these cretin companies to run a service, ie a working bog. Given the choice there should be a locked out of use. direct discharge bog to track. Driver enables by cab control all happy. Even the space station have a bog. A British train, well. who knows.
Where are bags on train?
I don’t think that’s entirely relevant to what I said though. If trains are cancelled, especially the last one, it is doing the opposite of solving the loo problem because the stations passengers are coming from’s loos are often locked. By suggesting trains without a loo should be cancelled you aren’t solving any problems, just adding another of actually making it home.
I forgot to say how does the plastic bag work for a female?
She Wee
Not very helpful reply, I beleive
the brand that I know includes a funnel which they claim is anatomically correct. Being of the male persuasion I can't confirm this.
Bletchleyite
Veteran Member
They're big enough to squat over. I'm not inventing something, they are a product you can buy for hiking in areas where carrying human waste out is mandatory.
It's a Female Urination Device. Other brands are available but She Wee is well known.
Topological
Member
Could be worse. They could be sending the train out in preference to the booked unit.
This happened last Friday with TfW where a 197 from Manchester did pretty much the whole trip without its toilet working. At Cardiff it was supposed to go to Canton but then got put on the 22:15 to Carmarthen instead of the units that had arrived from the West. Having been on it I knew and was able to use Cardiff station. For those who had been drinking in Cardiff...
No doubt someone will say there was an issue with all the other units on Canton at that time, etc etc etc.
This happened last Friday with TfW where a 197 from Manchester did pretty much the whole trip without its toilet working. At Cardiff it was supposed to go to Canton but then got put on the 22:15 to Carmarthen instead of the units that had arrived from the West. Having been on it I knew and was able to use Cardiff station. For those who had been drinking in Cardiff...
No doubt someone will say there was an issue with all the other units on Canton at that time, etc etc etc.
I bow to your knowledge of this matter but will blokes know which one to choose. Do trains hold these 2 options in a secret place?
You will recall in the great freeze up / cock up at Lewisham a few years ago. Pass discharged due to no bogs due to no juice, as juice worked bogs, so again should all trains have a track discharge bog,in reserve?
You will recall in the great freeze up / cock up at Lewisham a few years ago. Pass discharged due to no bogs due to no juice, as juice worked bogs, so again should all trains have a track discharge bog,in reserve?
Yes, the management Horizon claim but in reverse.
It's a speculative idea being discussed here, not something that already happens.
On the stock I sign there is plenty of spare room in the emergency cupboard for things like this.
Leeds Driver
Member
Pretty sure there are route clearance issues with the 170s which might explain why they’re not used elsewhere by Northern.