Non-stop through Carlisle.

[Condor7]

Other than the Caledonian sleeper, are there any other scheduled passenger trains that do not stop at Carlisle?

 

[Lrd]

http://www.opentraintimes.com/schedule/C57204/2012/11/26

 

[Darandio]

Yes, I believe 1S82 (1630 EUS - GLC) doesn't call there.

In fact, I may be wrong but I believe there were actually more that didn't call there before the VHF, hopefully someone can confirm.

 

[Lrd]

Yes, I believe 1S82 (1630 EUS - GLC) doesn't call there.

In fact, I may be wrong but I believe there were actually more that didn't call there before the VHF, hopefully someone can confirm.

As far as I can see, looking at tomorrow on www.opentraintimes.com 1S82 is the only train all day not to call at Carlisle, even the sleepers call there.
I posted the link above.

 

[GNERman]

Other than the Caledonian sleeper, are there any other scheduled passenger trains that do not stop at Carlisle?

1S82 1630 London Euston to Glasgow Central, only stops at Preston and Glasgow.

 

[yorkie]

Other than the Caledonian sleeper...

I don't think I've ever been on a Sleeper that has gone non-stop through Carlisle.

 

[HSTEd]

Isn't this a result of the very low speeds allowed through the station due to teh condition of the trackwork more than anything else?

If you have to slow down to 15mph there is not much time loss by calling.

 

[EltonRoad]

There were a couple of extra Virgin trains on Sundays at the beginning of October that weren't scheduled to call at Carlisle. They ran between Euston and Edinburgh advertised as calling only at Preston, run in connection with engineering on the ECML.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Yes, I believe 1S82 (1630 EUS - GLC) doesn't call there.

In fact, I may be wrong but I believe there were actually more that didn't call there before the VHF, hopefully someone can confirm.

Incorrect I'm afraid, everything under Virgin's time called at Carlisle pre-VHF.

 

[nedchester]

Incorrect I'm afraid, everything called at Carlisle pre-VHF, and did for years.

Both Royal Scots just called at Preston only back in the day. Also the APT didn't stop there when it did its reliefs in the 1980s

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Sorry, should have said under Virgin's tenure Of course heading further back timetables were all over the place - Preston in the 1980s was served by all IC services aside from a FO relief to Lancaster ex-Euston.

 

[Condor7]

Thanks for the information, that is very helpful.
Does anyone know the path it takes through the station?

I don't think I've ever been on a Sleeper that has gone non-stop through Carlisle.

I am not very familiar with the sleeper service, and may be confused, but it looks like there are two sleepers, one from Edinburgh/Glasgow which does stop at Carlisle and one from Inverness/Fort William that does not.
Have I got this right, or am I mistaken?

 

[Mike395]

The Highland Sleeper also stops - but only for a crew change and to pick up breakfast supplies, whereas on the Lowland, passengers can exit northbound/board southbound.

 

[Lrd]

Thanks for the information, that is very helpful.
Does anyone know the path it takes through the station?

Platform 3.

Click on the cogs symbol on the link I posted earlier.

 

[D6975]

Yes, I believe 1S82 (1630 EUS - GLC) doesn't call there.

In real life it quite often does stop.
Too many people boarding at Preston don't seem to understand that first stop Glasgow means just that. Either that or they just don't check and assume that a northbound pendo is going to stop at Lancaster.
It stopped last time I was there to let off 2 passengers.

 

[Tugzrule]

Pre VHF the only non-stop train timetabled was 1m90 0536 Edinburgh - Manchester Airport which off memory was express Edinburgh - Lancaster!

It stops now but is still express due to being 5 minutes ahead of a voyager to Brum

 

[Condor7]

In real life it quite often does stop.
Too many people boarding at Preston don't seem to understand that first stop Glasgow means just that. Either that or they just don't check and assume that a northbound pendo is going to stop at Lancaster.
It stopped last time I was there to let off 2 passengers.

Sorry but are you saying it quite often stops at Lancaster, or Carlisle?

 

[Eagle]

Pre VHF the only non-stop train timetabled was 1m90 0536 Edinburgh - Manchester Airport which off memory was express Edinburgh - Lancaster!

It stops now but is still express due to being 5 minutes ahead of a voyager to Brum

It's also booked to wait at Midcalder Junction for 2½ minutes for some reason, although today it seems like it ignored this.

 

[Wikipedia]

Thanks for the information, that is very helpful.
Does anyone know the path it takes through the station??

Any stock with passengers on board can only take the road through platforms 1, 3 or 4. B Up & Down Goods Loop and C Up & Down Goods Loop aren't cleared for passenger working. (Due to the signalling if I remember rightly!)

 

[Condor7]

Any stock with passengers on board can only take the road through platforms 1, 3 or 4. B Up & Down Goods Loop and C Up & Down Goods Loop aren't cleared for passenger working. (Due to the signalling if I remember rightly!)

Thanks for that.
Are the B & C goods loops the two tracks between the lines serving platform 3 & 4?

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Yep, I think officially they are '<letter> Up & Down Goods'.

 

[Wikipedia]

Yep, I think officially they are '<letter> Up & Down Goods'.

Yes you are correct in this! Text in sectional appendix is to small on my screen!!!

Attached is Carlisle station taken directly from LNW (North) Sectional Appendix, available at: LNW (North) Sectional Appendix (28.5 Mb file) Carlisle Station is on page 361!

 

[Condor7]

Yep, I think officially they are '<letter> Up & Down Goods'.

I only go to Carlisle from time to time, but I have never seen a goods train use these 'goods' lines, they all seem to come through one of the platform tracks.

 

[Wikipedia]

I only go to Carlisle from time to time, but I have never seen a goods train use these 'goods' lines, they all seem to come through one of the platform tracks.

Probably just as easy to send them through the platform lines as it is the goods line!

 

[AJP62]

Way back when I was very familiar with Carlisle station (lets call it 30 odd years ago!) the layout was the same as now. Then the centre roads were normally used for stabling locos or coaching stock. To use them for through traffic involves blocking both up and down mainlines due to the access at each end. Of course in those days we still had the avoiding line so freight through the station was very insignificant compared to today.

On Sundays the centre roads could be full of 25s and 40s coming off engineering trains at Upperby before heading to Kingmoor. During the week there'd be the two sleepers waiting on their journey between Plat 8 and Upperby, TPO/parcel vehicles detached during the night and locos swapping elec/diesel to/from S&C or GSW.

Following electrification in '74 only three trains were non-stop through Carlisle - up and down Royal Scot as mentioned plus the last daytime Glasgow/Edinburgh - Birmingham for some reason. As far as I'm aware everthing else stopped for crew purposes including all the sleepers and motorails that were advertised with long non-stop legs through Carlisle.

Prior to electrification I don't think there were any non-stop trains.

 

[6Gman]

Way back when I was very familiar with Carlisle station (lets call it 30 odd years ago!) the layout was the same as now. Then the centre roads were normally used for stabling locos or coaching stock. To use them for through traffic involves blocking both up and down mainlines due to the access at each end. Of course in those days we still had the avoiding line so freight through the station was very insignificant compared to today.

On Sundays the centre roads could be full of 25s and 40s coming off engineering trains at Upperby before heading to Kingmoor. During the week there'd be the two sleepers waiting on their journey between Plat 8 and Upperby, TPO/parcel vehicles detached during the night and locos swapping elec/diesel to/from S&C or GSW.

Following electrification in '74 only three trains were non-stop through Carlisle - up and down Royal Scot as mentioned plus the last daytime Glasgow/Edinburgh - Birmingham for some reason. As far as I'm aware everthing else stopped for crew purposes including all the sleepers and motorails that were advertised with long non-stop legs through Carlisle.

Prior to electrification I don't think there were any non-stop trains.

I was going to mention the Up Midland Scot (1730/45 Edinburgh/Glasgow - Birmingham), a train I used quite a few times, and which rolled (slowly) through Carlisle. Very odd!

 

[Tramfan]

I have to admit, having travelled between Preston and Carlisle quite regularly over the last 3 years, I was oblivious that there was a service that doesn't stop at Carlisle, I just assumed they all stopped. Thank goodness I never ended up on it!

 

[12CSVT]

Way back when I was very familiar with Carlisle station (lets call it 30 odd years ago!) the layout was the same as now. Then the centre roads were normally used for stabling locos or coaching stock. To use them for through traffic involves blocking both up and down mainlines due to the access at each end. Of course in those days we still had the avoiding line so freight through the station was very insignificant compared to today.

On Sundays the centre roads could be full of 25s and 40s coming off engineering trains at Upperby before heading to Kingmoor. During the week there'd be the two sleepers waiting on their journey between Plat 8 and Upperby, TPO/parcel vehicles detached during the night and locos swapping elec/diesel to/from S&C or GSW.

Following electrification in '74 only three trains were non-stop through Carlisle - up and down Royal Scot as mentioned plus the last daytime Glasgow/Edinburgh - Birmingham for some reason. As far as I'm aware everthing else stopped for crew purposes including all the sleepers and motorails that were advertised with long non-stop legs through Carlisle.

Prior to electrification I don't think there were any non-stop trains.

Two differences now from 30 years ago is that the centre roads are signalled for through running and the down line north of the station is bi-directional as far as the site of Caldew Junction. A derailment involving a freightliner in May 1984 was used as an excuse to close the goods avoiding lines.

There was a southbound passenger train in the late 1970s / early 1980s mid-morning which didn't call at Carlisle (Glasgow - Euston service, the only intermediade stop was Preston).

 

[reb0118]

It's also booked to wait at Midcalder Junction for 2½ minutes for some reason, although today it seems like it ignored this.

If TPE are anything like ScotRail then these intermediate timings will not be shown on the driver's simplifiers. Therefore he is probably unaware of the stop. Most crews these days no longer use the WTT as it has been getting more and more user unfriendly with every TT change - the latest editions no longer contain an index or glossary or even an explanation for the various abbreviations used.

I do, however, still persevere (& have the pink books to prove it) and the WTT still highlights lots of wee quirks as above.

 

[Eagle]

Therefore he is probably unaware of the stop.

Unless the signal is at red, of course.