Ah I see, with you now. Yes this caused a few issues last time didn't it (!)Rest-day working isn't a given, the RDW agreement was recently extended to late April but it is a possibility that this might not be extended further.
Ah I see, with you now. Yes this caused a few issues last time didn't it (!)Rest-day working isn't a given, the RDW agreement was recently extended to late April but it is a possibility that this might not be extended further.
195 111 made an appearance at LIV this afternoon.
http://www.realtimetrains.co.uk/train/O80215/2019/02/04/advanced
Yep. If you want to spot 331s and 195s Wigan NW seems like a good place.I don't know the unit numbers, but a Class 331 passed through Wigan North Western today on test around 13:20. It was followed about 10 minutes later by a 195. Both were heading southbound.
The Civity trains are a different family of units to Siemens stock.
You're referring to whether someone needs a conversion course, or a full training course. That's obvs for Northern and ASLEF to agree on. Eccles 1983 or llama could better tell you what Northern will decide is their core traction in time to come.Of course. My point, or question really, was that it's a very different beast, surely, going from driving something that was designed when the height of modernity was a Commodore 64 compared to something that was designed when phones have more power and capability than the computers that took NASA to the moon!
Making some assumptions here @Eccles1983, a 180 looks very similar to a 221 PBC with an unnotched controller (going from furthermost away from hand) Emergency , high to low, off, slight left to then take power again unnotched .Hill start on side. Does that sound about right for a 180?
Had a look at a 170 cab and the PBC in that looks nothing like a 221 PBC surprisingly. I thought Bombardier products would have some commonality, but I should know railway logic is unlike actual logic .
The 170 design predates Bombardier's ownership or Derby. The Voyager family trains were actually made in Belgium.Making some assumptions here @Eccles1983, a 180 looks very similar to a 221 PBC with an unnotched controller (going from furthermost away from hand) Emergency , high to low, off, slight left to then take power again unnotched .Hill start on side. Does that sound about right for a 180?
Had a look at a 170 cab and the PBC in that looks nothing like a 221 PBC surprisingly. I thought Bombardier products would have some commonality, but I should know railway logic is unlike actual logic .
Yes, apologies for my post which was pretty obvious! The issue isn't necessarily the handling of the units, which will be slightly different for a diesel unit in a couple of ways but nothing mind-blowing. The main bulk of the training will be all the quirks of the units. What every circuit breaker protects (and effects if tripped), fault indications, isolation of safety critical and non-safety critical systems, location and identification of every component inside and out, full training on every aspect of the TMS, how the compressed air system, hydraulic and electrical systems work, and many more things. Preparation and disposal procedures will be different, as will the coupling procedure and potential complications.Of course. My point, or question really, was that it's a very different beast, surely, going from driving something that was designed when the height of modernity was a Commodore 64 compared to something that was designed when phones have more power and capability than the computers that took NASA to the moon!
someone on here said a London Midland driver actually didn't see there was a 153 on the back of his 170 and so skipped along happily at 100mph and wrecked the 153's engine...(imagine forgetting about a 142 on the back and doing a ton!!!)
apparently it actually blew up! we're probably going too off-topicI'm not sure that would "wreck the engine" on a 153, the Voith transmission would effectively freewheel to an extent.
I am aware of 142s being coupled to 158s
Yes, apologies for my post which was pretty obvious! The issue isn't necessarily the handling of the units, which will be slightly different for a diesel unit in a couple of ways but nothing mind-blowing. The main bulk of the training will be all the quirks of the units. What every circuit breaker protects (and effects if tripped), fault indications, isolation of safety critical and non-safety critical systems, location and identification of every component inside and out, full training on every aspect of the TMS, how the compressed air system, hydraulic and electrical systems work, and many more things. Preparation and disposal procedures will be different, as will the coupling procedure and potential complications.
There might be systems new to drivers such as on-board hot axle-box detectors, and door testing and operating procedures will differ (drivers test train doors on a full train preparation and are expected to close train doors in certain unplanned situations). In short there is always a lot to these training courses.
Yes, apologies for my post which was pretty obvious! The issue isn't necessarily the handling of the units, which will be slightly different for a diesel unit in a couple of ways but nothing mind-blowing. The main bulk of the training will be all the quirks of the units. What every circuit breaker protects (and effects if tripped), fault indications, isolation of safety critical and non-safety critical systems, location and identification of every component inside and out, full training on every aspect of the TMS, how the compressed air system, hydraulic and electrical systems work, and many more things. Preparation and disposal procedures will be different, as will the coupling procedure and potential complications.
There might be systems new to drivers such as on-board hot axle-box detectors, and door testing and operating procedures will differ (drivers test train doors on a full train preparation and are expected to close train doors in certain unplanned situations). In short there is always a lot to these training courses.
It's a full training course for the diesels and a 2 day conversion for the electrics.There is no conversion course I am led to believe as it's a first in series type train. It's not just the actual handling of the brakes that is different but set up
I'm not entirely sure but the way the power/brake handle is used is not like the 180 series that northern used to use.
That's if they manage to agree a training package.....with this lot I am not overly confident.
It's a full training course for the diesels and a 2 day conversion for the electrics.
Is the intention not to introduce two or three units at first and the drip feed them in later? This would be enough to replace the daily hire in of 185s from TPE which has to be a good thing for both Northern and TPE. It also occurs to me that the drivers that sign 185s (who I believe are all ex-TPE as I don't think Northern have needed to train their 'own' drivers on 185s) would therefore be familiar with modern traction. I.e. combined power/brake controllers, computerisation, etc and that then leads me to wonder if they might not need the same length of course as someone who has only ever driven Sprinters or Pacers...
I think that arrangement is due to end once the Northern hire of 185s ends. The services also carry a TPE driver travelling as a passenger, based on an agreement with ASLEF. That driver will drive once the services go back to 185s.There are a few other anomalies going on at the moment. For example the 14:49 weekday TPE Huddersfield to Leeds stopper service is worked by a Northern Class 170, a Northern driver with a TPE guard.
Why is there a TPE driver as a passenger?I think that arrangement is due to end once the Northern hire of 185s ends. The services also carry a TPE driver travelling as a passenger, based on an agreement with ASLEF. That driver will drive once the services go back to 185s.
What is happening with Northern of late!? End of RMT strikes, electrics on the Bolton route and now they've sorted this one out too!Class 195 training starts THIS WEDNESDAY!!!
Starting with the Classroom then the first mainline drive will be Tue/Wed next week.